922r, the new Benelli H2O, questions...and an answer?

[crofton]

I have taken them down and there are no "made in usa" stampings.

dang, that is very, very interesting!

[12508]

dang, that is very, very interesting!

Yup. I have posted pics here once before.
If I get time this weekend I will do it again and look in more closely but the trigger assembly looks
like a standard unit with grey coating.

[Unobtanium]

Benelli obviously sells and deals with the military and LE. I find it hard to believe that they are blatantly violating the law. There is something going on here that we are not understanding/seeing. If this was Bubba in his shop customizing shotguns one-by-one, I would be rather certain that something was very illegal about it. But this isn't Bubba. It's Arnaldo, and his shop is very, very big...

[joshua1240]

There is no loophole, I am referring to what the law actually says. You actually posted it. It is the Paragraph before (1).

The assembly prohibition merely doesn't apply to sales to gov'tl agencies.
Again, the key word is ASSEMBLY, not possession.

Even if Benelli broke the law, I don't care. I didn't ASSEMBLE it, I am a mere possessor.

I have taken them down and there are no "made in usa" stampings.

The law talks about assembling a banned import model as a non-governmental body, as a civilian. You really think this is how it works? You just go out and buy a gun that is illegal to import and nobody bats an eye? You can't own a banned item. Please don't cloud the waters with your misinterpretation.

They (Benelli) cannot import a banned firearm for sale to civilians, and they cannot on the same coin assemble an unbanned configuration into a banned configuration for sale to civilians.

This is why I made my original post...people are confusing the situation without going into a little place I like to call Realityville. No gun manufacturer is going to risk their federal distribution license by selling an illegal weapon.

You can't own a banned gun, you can't assemble parts into a banned gun and you can't be sold a banned gun by a manufacturer authorized to assemble said gun if you are not a government agency. That's what 922r says, not your rose colored glass version.

[joshua1240]

Benelli obviously sells and deals with the military and LE. I find it hard to believe that they are blatantly violating the law. There is something going on here that we are not understanding/seeing. If this was Bubba in his shop customizing shotguns one-by-one, I would be rather certain that something was very illegal about it. But this isn't Bubba. It's Arnaldo, and his shop is very, very big...

There, you explained it better than I did.

[crofton]

Yup. I have posted pics here once before.
If I get time this weekend I will do it again and look in more closely but the trigger assembly looks
like a standard unit with grey coating.

when you break it down, also look at:

. the magazine and follower
. both sides of the hammer and trigger
. inside of the hand-guards

Stranger and stranger.

Thanks for taking the time to research the markings.

[12508]

The law talks about assembling a banned import model as a non-governmental body, as a civilian. You really think this is how it works? You just go out and buy a gun that is illegal to import and nobody bats an eye? You can't own a banned item. Please don't cloud the waters with your misinterpretation.

They (Benelli) cannot import a banned firearm for sale to civilians, and they cannot on the same coin assemble an unbanned configuration into a banned configuration for sale to civilians.

This is why I made my original post...people are confusing the situation without going into a little place I like to call Realityville. No gun manufacturer is going to risk their federal distribution license by selling an illegal weapon.

You can't own a banned gun, you can't assemble parts into a banned gun and you can't be sold a banned gun by a manufacturer authorized to assemble said gun if you are not a government agency. That's what 922r says, not your rose colored glass version.

My interpretation is just fine, thank you. The M4 is not a banned shotgun.
Show me the law that says possession of such a weapon is a crime. Again, let Benelli do what they want. I am only concerned about the law as the BUYER. A buyer of an H2O is NOT an assembler.
You can't be charged with a crime that isn't on the books.

[Unobtanium]

My interpretation is just fine, thank you. The M4 is not a banned shotgun.
Show me the law that says possession of such a weapon is a crime. Again, let Benelli do what they want. I am only concerned about the law as the BUYER. A buyer of an H2O is NOT an assembler.
You can't be charged with a crime that isn't on the books.

Sure you can, they create laws for you to be found guilty of violating every day.

However, I get your point. Buy with confidence imo. I have yet to see 922r prosecution regarding any Benelli product at any point in time.

[joshua1240]

My interpretation is just fine, thank you. The M4 is not a banned shotgun.
Show me the law that says possession of such a weapon is a crime. Again, let Benelli do what they want. I am only concerned about the law as the BUYER. A buyer of an H2O is NOT an assembler.
You can't be charged with a crime that isn't on the books.

The M4 in combat configuration with all Italian made parts is a BANNED shotgun for non-government sale. I get your reasoning, but you are plain wrong.

Do you understand confiscation rules for banned goods? Go to a range with a banned weapon, have any federal law enforcement official catch you with said weapon, and say bye bye to your gun. Same thing goes for Cuban cigars, endangered animal pelts etc..

Benelli has altered this shotguns internals to comply with US law in order to sell it to consumers in this configuration. As stated before, WHAT has been modified in the weapon is the question. Your interpretation of 922r is incorrect.

[Pudmullet]

I spoke with Benelli USA a while back when I ordered my H2O and they told me that it is coming into the country as a standard M4. Parts are being replaced, (the tube being one, I think), then being coated and sold....this is something you guys probably already know.