New FFT Stuff

[joshua1240]

If your willing to risk your life on changes to a weapon without exploring the risks, that is one thing; but it is completely another to ask others not to do the same. What is your motivation?

I guess you did not read what I wrote; but let it me put it this way: I don't think HK was being less than reputable when they sold me a pistol without a properly heat treated slide. Nor do I think that numerous US made trigger groups for other weapons, which also had issues, where a sign of ill repute with those companies.

You're risking your life with a half-assed theory on an internet forum? You lost me there.

The trigger and hammer are not being replaced to make the M4 H2O 922r compliant....that's where the idea about these being resold reject parts falls to pieces. They're not, and it's an unnecessary divergance from the real meat of the topic which is "why are these parts not matching the performance and capability of stock parts?" When I get a chance I will post some pictures from another thread that showcases the internals of the trigger group that clarifies this topic a bit.

Creating these parts to match the specifications of the manufacturer is as much an art as it is a science. No gun company is going to willingly divulge successful metallurgy, it has to be painstakingly reverse engineered. That's the crux, and that's the real heart of the discussion...

and marc63, I have no idea what you are asking me so I'm not even going to try to respond.

[marc63]

You're risking your life with a half-assed theory on an internet forum? You lost me there.....

Ummmm. Those pictures aren't half a**ed theory Its risky to depend on parts that deform.

No gun company is going to willingly divulge successful metallurgy....

OK. Not willfully, but proudly, if they're using the good stuff.

When I get a chance I will post some pictures from another thread that showcases the internals of the trigger group that clarifies this topic a bitCreating these parts to match the specifications of the manufacturer is as much an art as it is a science.......

Sweet!! Now you're talking! Post a link to that jam packed thread!!!, and hopefully one that is chok full of hard data, sources, proud materials selection, and renowned component origin would be nice. Otherwise you are only showing us the flip-side of the same coin we have here, specualtive etc. Pony up the truth. You still haven't even told us what 4 components your Benelli rep DID mention were addressed on the H20. We're tired of what you called "nonsensical misinformation , half-assed theories. conspiracies and speculation" , enlighten us.

and marc63, I have no idea what you are asking me so I'm not even going to try to respond

Wasn't a question really. Just wondered like others what your motivation is, we just want raw data, bring us that, not opposing speculation and you'll be the cat's meow. Otherwise.... yawn.

[RDA1]

You still haven't even told us what 4 components your Benelli rep DID mention were addressed on the H20.

I think you are confusing "Joshue1240" and I, I was the one that mentioned my authorized Benelli dealer and not noting the trigger as one of the items that was replaced with a US part. I couldn't remember what parts he said off the top of my head, I only know he didn't mention the trigger. I have sent him a message to see if he could tell me again. I am also going to be seeing him tonight so if I don't hear before then, I'll have an answer later today.

Wasn't a question really. Just wondered like others what your motivation is, we just want raw data, bring us that, not opposing speculation and you'll be the cat's meow. Otherwise.... yawn.

You pretty much make my point here, I want real data, not pure speculation that a questionable aftermarket US made NP3 coated part is a Benelli factory second part or there is a connection between both parts and that they are inferior.

[TKTM]

You pretty much make my point here, I want real data, not pure speculation that a questionable aftermarket US made NP3 coated part is a Benelli factory second part or there is a connection between both parts and that they are inferior.

If there was no speculation no one might ever check, but now that it has been speculated hopefully someone will put some rounds down a H20 and take pictures of the hammer for indications of deformation.

And along those same lines, BM4robbins, has got a lead to see if the parts are of the same production.

The important thing is that speculation is on the side of shooter safety.

[BM4robbins]

Disregard post #102.
Despite having an FFT trigger headed to the Houston facility to sample product origin ...He decided after reviewing FFT claims of product superiority over Geissele, (see AR15.com threads), and having FFT staff incessantly bad mouth several competitors on the phone, that he wants nothing to do with FFT's products or practice. At this point he only trusts the Geissele hammer option, with its lack of ambiguity. He also mentioned securing a US made M4 disconnector with a tungsten carbide coated mating surface he seems very pleased with so he appears to be set for life.
Thanks for everyone's help.

[KB Fab]

Disregard post #102.
Despite having an FFT trigger headed to the Houston facility to sample product origin ...He decided after reviewing FFT claims of product superiority over Geissele, (see AR15.com threads), and having FFT staff incessantly bad mouth several competitors on the phone, that he wants nothing to do with FFT's products or practice. At this point he only trusts the Geissele hammer option, with its lack of ambiguity. He also mentioned securing a US made M4 disconnector with a tungsten carbide coated mating surface he seems very pleased with so he appears to be set for life.
Thanks for everyone's help.

Hey I'm not a member over there..........would you mind posting some links to those threads? Thanks.

[BM4robbins]

Hey I'm not a member over there..........would you mind posting some links to those threads? Thanks.

Here's one of them. The 9th post onwards relates. Confirmed by the calls made from Houston as well. FFT expends notable effort verbally lancing their competitors. Unfortunate.
http://www.ar15.com/mobile/topic.html?b=6&f=1&t=365863

[KB Fab]

Here's one of them. The 9th post onwards relates. Confirmed by the calls made from Houston as well. FFT expends notable effort verbally lancing their competitors. Unfortunate.
http://www.ar15.com/mobile/topic.html?b=6&f=1&t=365863

So one post from a guy who says that he talked to FFT and they said their parts were better? What makes you trust this guy versus any other doofus on the internet?

[BM4robbins]

So one post from a guy who says that he talked to FFT and they said their parts were better? What makes you trust this guy versus any other doofus on the internet?

I don't.
That thread was brought to my attention by one of my peers who had a similar phone experience with Freedom Fighter Tactical. His personal account is the one I put faith in. He asked me to take a look at many threads (including ours here) and help him decide how to view 922 jargon. I was hard pressed to respond to your inquiry since I agree hear-say is all forums contain. I answered you based on my faith in his personal account, which I do trust. His experience caused him to shy away, when he observed another doofus had a similar chat. It confused him more than anything else, since FFT was the only source poo-pooing Geissele.

[TKTM]

any one else here having disappearing posts on this thread?