5.7 is a great round for weight concerns. My wife carries a Five-Seven with a Surefire x400 on it. You'll likely never find it in the field though.
Stick with 22lr, 9mm, .223, 7.62 x 39, 45 acp, 38/357, 40 s&w, 308 and 30'06 and 12 gauge.
I'd recommend everyone watch the movie, "The Road" for a somewhat accurate portrayal of what the US will look like after Obama's second term.
Last edited by StrangerDanger; 02-18-2011 at 09:34 PM.
Remmy 870 12ga
saiga or m1 super 90 tactical
glock 9mm or hk 9mm
i would also be praying to god
these questions seem to frequent many boards..right now thats my choice..but could change depending on my stress level and what i grab first...
I was just throwing the 5.7 option out as food for thought. Discussing the weight issue and ammo compatibility between a handgun and a carbine as things for others to ponder. Frankly, really don't know what I'd really carry out the door. Lots of options, but nothing would be "perfect."
Originally Posted by StrangerDanger
I won't provide the link out of respect to benelli forum but you can check prices at impact guns for these little workhorses.
if you going to go all in on this concept of shtf - why not use what the military is using since its been tested.
side arms are not carried by anyone in war but officers and squad leaders etc and clerks and back up type people behind the lines - thus experience would suggest they are not worth the bother in a true survival type world.
and shotguns are just too heavy to haul for anyone young or anyone old.
Last edited by Vague; 02-19-2011 at 11:49 AM.
The 5.56 caliber SCAR has been having its fair share of feed/fire problems. Right now I wouldn't add one to my collection.
I'd only need two.
My AR (M4) carbine and a Glock 9mm pistol. The Benelli M4 would be too heavy with the ammo and the AR can do everything the B M4 can do.
Pistols make excellent close quarter combat weapons. Even compared to a SBR, they offer many advantages. Example, if you have to get someone who has crawled under a house. Or in a mine. They also offer the concealment aspect.
Carry lightweight as possible. No armor. No multiple gallons of water. No 500 rounds of ammunition. No mall ninja gear. A load bearing pack that holds the weight on your waist is your best friend. A typical shoulder pack will make you cry for your mama within a mile or two.
Most aren't conditioned to haul 40, 50 or more pounds of weight over uneven terrain for long distances. Military personnel train to to this often.
I go out once a week and plan a hike/shooting routine. We carry basic essentials. Some are only a mile or two. Some are 6 to 8 miles over rough terrain.
After several miles, it can feel like someone is stabbing you between the shoulder blades if you poorly carry your load.
If you're carrying a weapon with a heavy barrel, ask yourself why? Do you have a full auto? Even lightweights won't burn out from a couple mag dumps.
Every option you purchase should be weighed on value and item weight. Expenses in weight reductions are worthy investments. Heck, guys who climb Everest and others cut the handle off of their tooth brush to save a half ounce? Adopt this idea towards gear and you can;
A. Bring more tools as a result
B. Operate with less of a load which will reduce your physical stress and make you more effective. If you're stressing, you're going to burn through resources like water and calories quick.
If I could only have three:
… And, if I could add a fourth:
- Assault Rifle: AK-47 or AR-15 (16/18) (it’s all about firepower when you find yourself in a gun battle)
- Standard Rifle: A 30-06 with scope (best overall long-range and widely available cartridge for aliens or putting game on the table)
- Pistol: 45 ACP (if the aliens are big and tough) or 9mm (if the aliens are smaller but more plentiful)
Shotgun: 12 gauge, autoloader or pump with an extended magazine
Useful additions are body armor, night vision equipment, a whole bunch of clips, and a ton (literally) of ammo to feed your weapons. Of course you need a mule to carry all this stuff, so add a couple of donkeys or an armor-plated Suburban to the list.
If it’s anarchy and chaos (Egypt, Bahrain, and Yemen for now, and possibly Tunisia, Lebanon, Syria and Iran in the near future), your immediate need is close-in protection. The best weapons here are an assault rifle (for firepower) backed-up by a pistol. You want to have weapons that overpower the enemy, and that is simply lots of firepower delivered by an automatic weapon.
Last edited by Spike100; 02-19-2011 at 05:49 PM.
Reason: AR 16 and 18 are prototypes. You want tested rifles for self defense.
ya I just read that the military canceled their contract for scar rifles. So the ftf issue must have been widespread in what rifles they were using.
so I leave it to those of you who know way more than I do about the subject. What ar15 would be the best bet? I know the military is using the colt but I have also read there are ftf problems with it also and they are told to just keep it wet. Not a solution.
would this be the answer for an old guy? http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/02...assault-rifle/ lol