condor broken out of the box

[fezman]

i just bought a condor o/u 12/28 and it was broken right out of the box. it seems that there is somthing wrong with the safety and after reading the comments on this board i can see that i'm sadly not the only person experiencing the same problem. my gun has missfired from shell one. also it wont fire both barrels in succession. i also had to move the safety back and forth to get it to fire the second barrel. at first i just thought maby it was gummed up with packing grease but evan after a good soaking in PB Blaster (the best stuff ive ever used) it still did the same thing. After hours of tinkering (but not takeing all the way appart) i found a way to miss every time... first tip the gun to the left then open the very stiff action then close it, sill keeping the gun tilted to the left, dissengauge the safety and pull the trigger, the gun will not fire, but as you bring the gun up to 12 or 1 o'clock the gun would fire. also if i shook the gun i could hear somthing rattling around in the acton cocked or not. another thing that i noticed was the fact that the fireing pins stayed exposed after the action was oppened ive never seen a fire arm that did that. un less the pins retracted as the breach was closed but if that is the case i will have to say it is a poor design and not very safe. to top it off i sent it to service as instructed on the warrenty card. when i called service over a week later so make shure that my gun had arrived i was told that i needed an r.o. # to do this. and if my gun was there it most likely was laying in a pile someware. NONE of the paper work that came with the gun says this. NOTHING in the paper work evan states you have to call service but it does say not to take it appart but to send it back postage paid with the recept and a note i have done this and ive been waiting over 2 weeks now and ive heard nothing from stoger or who ever runs this multinational corprate mess. i will have to say that im not very happy at this point. but i'm keeping the fires burning because i have many friends that are dieing to try this gun and maby buy one. because the price cant be beat but we all use our guns and we dont want to ruin a 1000$ toy in the mud. but if this isnt worked out by xmass i dont think i will be able to recomend a stoeger any thing to any one. that goes for all the other nok offs that this company owns or imports.

[House]

Fez, I would call and ask to speak with the customer representatives supervisor, then that person's supervisor, and so on and so forth. The fact is that not everybody knows the net and the instructions with the gun sometimes is all you have to go by. For them to keep the gun and not track it is total shight! They know where it is based on the numbers and registry papers for inventory purposes. Just some ol' bull shight for them to delay and not fix the problem. Keep on those sum biatches and hopefully you'll get yer piece back and enjoy some shooting! Good luck!

[birddog]

fezman, House is right! Your situation is a bunch of CRAP indeed!! Get on the horn and make your voice heard to the upper management... take names also! This will put responsability on some ONE person to look into AND rectify the situation. I feel for your situation... it must be frustrating as H-E-'double hockey stick' to have to go through this kind of B.S. with a new product!!!!
I've owned and shot several Benelli's, Beretta's, and Franchi's but, have not had any experience with Stoeger ... and have to say I've had absolutely no problems with any mechanically but, have had to send in my Franchi sporting o/u to get restocked due to a crack and chip that was said to be due to a stress point and funky graining in the wood .... would not have happend if i wasn't wearing cotton gloves I was holding the gun by the barrels. I didn't have a firm grip and the gun slid and hit the top corner of the hardplastic no-catch recoil pad... thus putting too much force on the particular point in which it broke (near the reciever and trigger) it was clearly my doing in my eyes but when i brought it in and had it looked at - the shop at which i do my purchasing from told me that if the company charges for it ...they charge for it....I left it at that and within two weeks i had my baby back with a new stock beatifully matched to the fore with NO CHARGES to me and a note explaining the stress point and graining being the culprit. Needless to say, i was a happy boy!
Whether it be growing pains of the company or the time of year it is. We sometimes forget that this time of year is the busiest time for the gun industries repair and service departments but, the folks at Stoeger should at least be able to give you a conformation that they at least have recieved it!

Again, like House stated, "... Keep on those sum biatches and hopefully you'll get yer piece back and enjoy some shooting! Good luck!".

[ 12-07-2003, 11:49 AM: Message edited by: birddog ]

[fezman]

well i finely got an answer from stoger after a call on friday. i was told that it arived on 11/26 only 6 days after the post office said that they delevered it not bad i guess but i haven't gotten it back yet but i'm keeping my fingers crossed that ill have it by the 26th thats reopening of small game/birds in pa and my dogs and i are getting a little antsy im shure its wishfull thinking but it would be nice to get it back in the two weeks promised. i just wish that i had taken it appart and fixed it my self or at least knew what was wrong with it. its only the 2nd time ive ever accualy had to send a gun back for warrenty service. i accualy shot so many rounds through my glock that the springs had to be replaced when i got that back they had re sprung the entire gun and cleaned it (it was filthy when i sent it back) and ive never had a problem with it in 8 years since

[House]

Right on Fezman........let me know how the girl shoots when you get her back!

[birddog]

fezman- Glad to hear it! Fingers are crossed for ya and good luck for the remaining seasons.

pssssst .... take the pups out anyways and bring a camera if she's not back by the re-opening. it's nice to have some photos of the dogs working to reflect on and you're not fumbling between gun and camera .... but, I hope she's back by then.

[User92]

Sounds like why I posted the topic about how do O/U guns work because in dry firing it out of the box(haven't had a chance to fire it for real yet) I'd pull the trigger and fire one chamber but then I'd have to cycle the safety to get the second chamber to fire. Is this similar to others?

[fezman]

this is a photo of my field wiem DOC (i have 2 the other one just keeps my bed warm and eats and poops all the time) as for the opperation of the condor im starting to have the sickest feeling that the safety has to be flipped back and forth to fire the second barrel if not there is a way to check if it has an internal switch that works off the recoil of the 1st barrel first **** the gun then flip off the safety then dry fire the gun then bump the butt of the gun briskly agenst a padded hard surface like the living room floor you mite hear a click then try to fire the second (top) barrel if that dosent work i would have to say that its either broke just like myn or we both got ripped. after the intial shock of myn not working the way that i felt it should i set out on a mission to make it fail with out breaking it. in the end (about 3 hours and a few beers) i figgerd out a way to make it miss almost every time. First tip the top of the gun to about 9 o'clock then open the breech. close the breech keeping the gun tilted at 9 close the breach keeping it tilted. disengauge the safety and pull the trigger (note: squeeze the trigger like dad tought you) myn would not fire. but as i pulled the trigger if i tipped the gun up to about 12 or 1 it would go off. also if i cocked the gun and shook the heck out of it i could hear somthing rattleing around inside the breech like somthing was loose or not adjusted right. i'm not a gun smith but i am a fairly good mechanic and i know when somthin an quite rite and to me that anin't quite rite.
check out this site its a good site with lots of info
http://www.chuckhawks.com/index2.guns.htm
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[fezman]

Originally posted by fezman:
this is a photo of my field wiem DOC (i have 2 the other one just keeps my bed warm and eats and poops all the time) as for the opperation of the condor im starting to have the sickest feeling that the safety has to be flipped back and forth to fire the second barrel if not there is a way to check if it has an internal switch that works off the recoil of the 1st barrel first tilt the gun then flip off the safety then dry fire the gun then bump the butt of the gun briskly agenst a padded hard surface like the living room floor you mite hear a click then try to fire the second (top) barrel if that dosent work i would have to say that its either broke just like myn or we both got ripped. after the intial shock of myn not working the way that i felt it should i set out on a mission to make it fail with out breaking it. in the end (about 3 hours and a few beers) i figgerd out a way to make it miss almost every time. First tip the top of the gun to about 9 o'clock then open the breech. close the breech keeping the gun tilted at 9 close the breach keeping it tilted. disengauge the safety and pull the trigger (note: squeeze the trigger like dad tought you) myn would not fire. but as i pulled the trigger if i tipped the gun up to about 12 or 1 it would go off. also if i cocked the gun and shook the heck out of it i could hear somthing rattleing around inside the breech like somthing was loose or not adjusted right. i'm not a gun smith but i am a fairly good mechanic and i know when somthin an quite rite and to me that anin't quite rite.
check out this site its a good site with lots of info
http://www.chuckhawks.com/index2.guns.htm
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[timb99]

fezman,

Sorry to hear about your bad luck. Stuff should work right out of the box.

To clarify one point, the Stoeger does not have an intertial reset on the firing mechanism. It is mechanical. If everything is correct, you should be able to take the safety off, pull the trigger once to fire the bottom barrel, and pull the trigger again to fire the top barrel.

If that's not happening, the gun needs to be sent back (which you have already done.)

I would not expect to see it for a couple of months, if your experience is the same as mine. I had a bluing issue, and they had it for over 2 months.

On the up-side, I bought my Condor in January of 2000 and have put over 4000 rounds through it. I use it for upland hunting and skeet shooting in a league.

This fall in my skeet league, I had problems with the top barrel firing, but I took the stock off, cleaned the heck out of the mechanism, oiled it, and have not had a misfire since.

So far, so good. Hope you get yours back soon and all is resolved.

Tim