My M4

[muffpirate]

Hello all. Here's mine. Just holding out for the CC black charging handle :(

Enjoy!

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[muffpirate]

One more.

1075

[ROCKETW19]

just curious what is the point of two foward grips?

[StrangerDanger]

Love the username.

The muted titanium charging handles look pretty slick. They're not shiny like you're thinking.

[Bello]

just my opinion but another crappy done shotgun

[BigHat]

just my opinion but another crappy done shotgun

Have you ever considered NOT sharing your CONSTANT negativity?

[benelliwerkes]

I'll bet he has a lot to say to the folks waiting in line at at Baskin Robbins !

[muffpirate]

just curious what is the point of two foward grips?

It's just something I'm trying out. Kind of useful to me. My left arm has some structural/nerve damage so it helps me having the option.

[muffpirate]

Love the username.

The muted titanium charging handles look pretty slick. They're not shiny like you're thinking.

:)

And I'm on the fence about the muted one.. Seen plenty of pics here. Perhaps if I knew how long it was going to take for the black ones to be produced, I might be more tempted to go ahead with the muted.

[muffpirate]

Have you ever considered NOT sharing your CONSTANT negativity?

I've seen his post lately and I can only conclude every forum has it's troll.

[ROCKETW19]

It's just something I'm trying out. Kind of useful to me. My left arm has some structural/nerve damage so it helps me having the option.

I see what one do you find yourself using most? I never used the AFG but I do want to some day

[CHIEF GR]

I really like the collapsable stock. Unfortunately its forbidden in my country since there is a minimum lenght restriction on shotguns.

The AFG in the above pictures looks like Version 2 (Not Sure though) which is slimmer compared to V1 and is too slim for my hands.

In general the AFG will provide you with an aggresive forward grip which allows better control over the weapon in terms of recoil and sway. Its pretty much the same MD theory from ARs implemented on Shotguns. For me it works great, others that have picked up my shotgun find it difficult to adapt to.

[Bello]

I've seen his post lately and I can only conclude every forum has it's troll.

lol thats funny..

im sorry you guys in the past two days have posted the most despicable M4's. I mean lets get real can we put any more garbage on them

p.s. ive passed enough info around this board

[benelliwerkes]

I have another prom queen in drag....she'll go home alone.1077

Let's see your arm candy.

[Bello]

I have another prom queen in drag....she'll go home alone.1077

Let's see your arm candy.

Finally <3

[ROCKETW19]

I have another prom queen in drag....she'll go home alone.1077

Let's see your arm candy.
thats nice! did you get kip to make you a TI tube or is that stock tube?

[saym14]

NICE! looks good hope it works for you. if every gun had to be the same it would be like everyone in the world driving the same car.

[benelliwerkes]

thats nice! did you get kip to make you a TI tube or is that stock tube?

It's Kip's.

[socom1]

I have been hoping to see the black charging handle for over a year now . Still holding my breath !

And I'm on the fence about the muted one.. Seen plenty of pics here. Perhaps if I knew how long it was going to take for the black ones to be produced, I might be more tempted to go ahead with the muted.[/QUOTE]

[Super33]

I've also been holding out for the black handle. I'm thinking I'm just gonna get the muted one instead. And the hammer. On a side note, I have the Surefire M80 with the AFG on there and I'm really liking it. But for some reason, I have this urge to put the stock forend back on there. I just like the simple looks and basic feel to it. But 922r is forcing me to put a US made part on there and ironically it's making my shotgun into a more deadly weapon with the control advantage of the AFG foregrip.

[ROCKETW19]

I've also been holding out for the black handle. I'm thinking I'm just gonna get the muted one instead. And the hammer. On a side note, I have the Surefire M80 with the AFG on there and I'm really liking it. But for some reason, I have this urge to put the stock forend back on there. I just like the simple looks and basic feel to it. But 922r is forcing me to put a US made part on there and ironically it's making my shotgun into a more deadly weapon with the control advantage of the AFG foregrip.

LOL, more deadly!
I just took off my M80 and went stock but if you see me at the range it is a FFT one :)

[golikehell01]

How do you like that Luepold Delta Point? I'm getting rready to pull the trigger on one and just wanted to see the opinions. Nice looking scattergun too

[Unobtanium]

For a range gun, all the cool toys are nice. For something you intend to actually use for hunting/walking around plinking/SD, etc. I have found that a lot of doodads aren't worth their weight. The current toy I am building is a real PITA to trim weight on, but after my M4S90 experience, I am seriously critiquing every part. I feel like I'm building a track car or something.

[golikehell01]

So in your opinion is the Surefire rail a no go either? Too heavy? Thank you!!

[CHIEF GR]

I can understand the weight issue BUT if you choose your parts carefully it should not add to the overall weight that much.
To give you an example my setup only adds 1kg to the total weight. On the other hand in a HD/SD scenario i wouldnt expect to have to hold it to the extent that my hands can no longer support it. If i where to go hunting or have to track a long distance with it i would definately use a sling even if it was 1kg lighter than the original weight.

[Sukhoi_fan]

2.2 lbs. is a LOT of extra weight on a long arm intended for fast handling. All that extra weight means one has much more inertia to overcome when bringing it to bear, and in the middle of a s**t blizzard nanoseconds can determine whether one is 'quick' or 'dead'. Those who build performance cars seek to decrease their unsprung weight for very good reason.

[Unobtanium]

So in your opinion is the Surefire rail a no go either? Too heavy? Thank you!!

That is subjective, for a home-defense weapon, it allows a light, and I doubt you will carry it far. For a patrol weapon or something you will be carrying around, etc. I think it adds a noticeable amount of weight.

It does make the weapon harder to swing, but one assumes in a home-entry defense type situation you will already have the lines of fire mapped out and there won't be a whole lot of swinging the weapon around as you will just use your fatal funnel and let them come to you.

[Totti]

Hello all. Here's mine. Just holding out for the CC black charging handle :(

Enjoy!

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Hi mate awesome set up. Question what Leupold size is that? Doesn't look like a delta, and doesn't look like the larger one.

If it's the small one would you rather the 7.5 or is the smaller one the go. I'm looking at importing some sights to go with a (hopefully) forthcoming M4 - Australian Customs make it rather difficult so need to pick right.

Cheers

[CHIEF GR]

2.2 lbs. is a LOT of extra weight on a long arm intended for fast handling. All that extra weight means one has much more inertia to overcome when bringing it to bear, and in the middle of a s**t blizzard nanoseconds can determine whether one is 'quick' or 'dead'. Those who build performance cars seek to decrease their unsprung weight for very good reason.

I believe that the loadout has to do entirely with the purpose of the weapon. If the weapon is to be used in competition for example then the modifications would be totally different than if it were to be used for hunting, military or HD scenarios.

For instance in a HD scenario you would probably want a flashlight which, for the M4, automatically means a hand guard with a rail.
In any situation that you choose I believe you build the gun to your specs and then train constantly and consistently.

In some cases that might mean lightning the weapon in other cases that my mean doing some pushups so you arms can easily handle the load.

When I started training with my M4 my shoulder was soar and the weapon seemed heavy. Now I can go through a couple of hundred rounds with no problem and manipulate the weapon easily.

[Bello]

So in your opinion is the Surefire rail a no go either? Too heavy? Thank you!!

the surefire rail does not weigh in much more then the factory rails by far and if you reduce weights with other items everything works out... and also the weight of a firearm imho has nothing to do with home defense because in all cases you will be FILLED with so much adrenoline that you will notice nothing!

[Unobtanium]

the surefire rail does not weigh in much more then the factory rails by far and if you reduce weights with other items everything works out... and also the weight of a firearm imho has nothing to do with home defense because in all cases you will be FILLED with so much adrenoline that you will notice nothing!

It's not about "oh, I don't want to lift it it's so heavy", it's about being a split second slower between target transitions. Weight on the front of a firearm is the worst possible place regarding split times. The rail + VFG + light can easily add up to robbing some time between targets.

It's something everyone must weigh for themselves.

[Sukhoi_fan]

On a side note regarding a high capacity mag shotgun loaded down with a sidesaddle or other shell holders on the gun, a fellow I know who was Force Recon in the 'nam with behind the lines experience (bona fide, and at the time he was issued an AKS by the Marines, however later he and his buddies 'stole' M14s from the Army) is amused at the notion of shotguns with magazines of greater than five rounds capacity. He says something along the lines of "If you can't solve your problem with 5-6 rounds, then you brought the wrong gun to the fight." Personally I like high cap mags on shotguns, however I draw the line at limiting the rounds the shotgun carries to those in the mag. If you need more than what the mag is holding, then I would suggest a bandoleer or four - 'cause if you need more than what the magazine holds you need LOTS more, imo.

[Unobtanium]

On a side note regarding a high capacity mag shotgun loaded down with a sidesaddle or other shell holders on the gun, a fellow I know who was Force Recon in the 'nam with behind the lines experience (bona fide, and at the time he was issued an AKS by the Marines, however later he and his buddies 'stole' M14s from the Army) is amused at the notion of shotguns with magazines of greater than five rounds capacity. He says something along the lines of "If you can't solve your problem with 5-6 rounds, then you brought the wrong gun to the fight." Personally I like high cap mags on shotguns, however I draw the line at limiting the rounds the shotgun carries to those in the mag. If you need more than what the mag is holding, then I would suggest a bandoleer or four - 'cause if you need more than what the magazine holds you need LOTS more, imo.

Note that his primary weapon held over 20 rounds without having to re-load...

[StrangerDanger]

If I recall, the Surefire M80 weighed 5 ounces over the weight of the factory handguards. The trouble is, once you start slapping accessories on it, the weight goes up rapidly. Even adding rail covers alone will add another 2 - 4 ounces. Add a AFG or a FVG, and add another 3, 4 or 5 ounces. Add a light like a Surefire Scout, add another 5 ounces. So right there alone you've added a pound of weight.

The factory handguards are far more comfortable than the M80 is. The only reason to use an M80 is if you have a weapon light to mount, or if you just cannot live without a FVG of some sort.

Spend extra if a lighter weight option for parts exist. Titanium full length magazine tubes are a no-brainer in my opinion. The weight savings offsets the weight gained by the extra capacity.

[kendeepdiver]

Has anybody seen this light rail option?
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=44716/sku=100-007-661/Product/BENELLI-M4-BLAM-4-LIGHT-MOUNT

[ROCKETW19]

Has anybody seen this light rail option?
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=44716/sku=100-007-661/Product/BENELLI-M4-BLAM-4-LIGHT-MOUNT
looks cool. wonder how good it works?
You still need a place to put a tape switch.

[golikehell01]

looks cool. wonder how good it works?
You still need a place to put a tape switch.

Not necessarily, you can use the tail cap switch with your thumb. That's how I run my AR. This just saved me from buying the Surefire. Thank you!!

[StrangerDanger]

Interesting mount. Here are more photographs of it.
http://www.corpstechgroup.com/CTG_S_BLAM4.php

I haven't thought of a method of installing it with a sling and a light both on the left side of the weapon. The amount of rail provided isn't enough. I may buy one when they are back in stock to move my sling mount on a QD mount further forward.

If you do not use a sling, this mount would easily replace a Surefire M80. I believe you could even use a GearSector offset mount for a Scout light to position the light in an ideal location. It also appears that the mount can be flipped so that the rails face forward rather than towards the handguard. So you could push a mounted light pretty far forward.

[Unobtanium]

Not necessarily, you can use the tail cap switch with your thumb. That's how I run my AR. This just saved me from buying the Surefire. Thank you!!

+1, I hate tape-switches. Great way to have a ND with your light.

[ROCKETW19]

Not necessarily, you can use the tail cap switch with your thumb. That's how I run my AR. This just saved me from buying the Surefire. Thank you!!
I have a X400 with no gun to put it on. not sure how that would work with out the tape switch. but you have a good point on a normal light.
please keep us posted after you get it with a lil review if you dont mind.

[ROCKETW19]

Interesting mount. Here are more photographs of it.
http://www.corpstechgroup.com/CTG_S_BLAM4.php

I haven't thought of a method of installing it with a sling and a light both on the left side of the weapon. The amount of rail provided isn't enough. I may buy one when they are back in stock to move my sling mount on a QD mount further forward.

If you do not use a sling, this mount would easily replace a Surefire M80. I believe you could even use a GearSector offset mount for a Scout light to position the light in an ideal location. It also appears that the mount can be flipped so that the rails face forward rather than towards the handguard. So you could push a mounted light pretty far forward.

ya looks good in those pictures. I wonder if i could dremil it out and fit it so the rail is on the bottom? That sure would help my OCD and things having to be perfectly balanced

[Unobtanium]

ya looks good in those pictures. I wonder if i could dremil it out and fit it so the rail is on the bottom? That sure would help my OCD and things having to be perfectly balanced

Then you can look forward to bending the mount, scuffing/breaking the light, whatever else if you ever rest the fore-end on something when firing.

Sometimes aesthetics and symmetry must take a back seat to performance. I suffer the same, so I understand your desire, but a compromise is in order in some cases I have found.

[StrangerDanger]

It wouldn't be very easy to do anyway. Sure, you could cut off the sling loop, but you'd need to cut the groove that indexes the mount in one spot. I think they cut it back too much inside the sling loop to engage the barrel.

If the fit of the mount is as loose as the factory sling mount, your light is going to be moving quite a bit. I'm considering one solely to push my QD mount from GearSector onto. That way it isn't anywhere near my weapon light to obstruct my hand from activating the momentary/constant on button.

I agree with Unobtanium on the balance of the weapon. I'd rather everything be even, but it just isn't feasible. What I have found is that it is better to pull the offset mounted object closer to the center line of the weapon. The further you get away from the center line, the more leverage works against you. Plus the object snags more then.

That's why I put together the Surefire M80 with the GearSector offset mount and a Scout light. The fit is tight against the barrel of the weapon. So much so I had to modify the rubber of the M80 to allow the GearSector mount to fit.

http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h417/Zzyzx313/BenelliM4/c007.jpg

http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h417/Zzyzx313/BenelliM4/c004.jpg

[CHIEF GR]

If I recall, the Surefire M80 weighed 5 ounces over the weight of the factory handguards. The trouble is, once you start slapping accessories on it, the weight goes up rapidly. Even adding rail covers alone will add another 2 - 4 ounces. Add a AFG or a FVG, and add another 3, 4 or 5 ounces. Add a light like a Surefire Scout, add another 5 ounces. So right there alone you've added a pound of weight.

The factory handguards are far more comfortable than the M80 is. The only reason to use an M80 is if you have a weapon light to mount, or if you just cannot live without a FVG of some sort.

Spend extra if a lighter weight option for parts exist. Titanium full length magazine tubes are a no-brainer in my opinion. The weight savings offsets the weight gained by the extra capacity.
Do you have weight differences between the stock tube and the titanium tube ?

[StrangerDanger]

carriercomp states that their titanium tube weighs 5.5 ounces. The factory tube is about 10.5 ounces. So you'll reduce the front end weight roughly 5 ounces. However, with a full length tube, you will be adding two additional rounds. Each round weighs approximately 2 ounces.

Without a doubt it is worth it though. Since if you went with a steel unit, you'd have the 10.5 ounces, plus the weight of the extra ammunition. Plus, steel can rust. There is YouTube video of the titanium tubes used to make carriercomp's tubes being run over by a truck without deforming.

The coating carriercomp uses is extremely tough. I figured it would scratch off from me pulling the barrel assembly over it. I was looking at it earlier today, and there isn't a single mark on it. I've had the tube installed since 2009.

Plus, all the extra goodies you get from carriercomp are nice. The Wolff spring is much better than the factory piece of crap. Your shells will eject onto the elevator with authority. The US made follower is a nice feature to bring you one part closer to 922 compliance.

[benelliwerkes]

1088I agree the Gear Sector is well made and I use it as an alternative mounting system.

[muffpirate]

Just an FYI.. When you mount a light on the bottom rail, it throws a shadow out front that looks like a dick.

[benelliwerkes]

If the shadow is objectionable, then you should mount it further forward.......so it's non-existent or a smaller shadow ($ick).

The upside is the bad guy just got whacked by a big $ick !

[ROCKETW19]

STRANGER I wonder if you got the right gear sector? I got one after you recomend it and it mounted no problems no cutting at all. I just could not get over the X400 on the side like that and it was just a bit to tight for my hand placement( took up to much room even all the way foward). but I do like your set up pictured above the tail cap switch looks like that way to go for sure.
The scout light fits nice and tight also looks good.

[StrangerDanger]

Perhaps the design is slightly different between the X400 rail section mount and the Scout series? Or were you mounting directly to the side rails? Looking at the pictures below, it appears the Scout mount rides closer to the rail.

http://www.gearsector.com/img/?filename=57a01ab13fecc480be9d701b47dccbec.jpghttp ://www.gearsector.com/img/product/304ed95da3dc452f824d09425c2da90e.jpg

I have two Scout offset mounts, both of them are the same dimensions. I don't mind the modifications. It pulls the light close to the center line of the weapon. The X300 and X400 are pretty bulky compared to the Scout series. Plus the laser of the X400 would be a real PITA to sight in with it mounted at a 45 degree angle.

[Unobtanium]

Just an FYI.. When you mount a light on the bottom rail, it throws a shadow out front that looks like a dick.

Damn I wish we had sig lines on this forum :D

[CHIEF GR]

carriercomp states that their titanium tube weighs 5.5 ounces. The factory tube is about 10.5 ounces. So you'll reduce the front end weight roughly 5 ounces. However, with a full length tube, you will be adding two additional rounds. Each round weighs approximately 2 ounces.

Without a doubt it is worth it though. Since if you went with a steel unit, you'd have the 10.5 ounces, plus the weight of the extra ammunition. Plus, steel can rust. There is YouTube video of the titanium tubes used to make carriercomp's tubes being run over by a truck without deforming.

The coating carriercomp uses is extremely tough. I figured it would scratch off from me pulling the barrel assembly over it. I was looking at it earlier today, and there isn't a single mark on it. I've had the tube installed since 2009.

Plus, all the extra goodies you get from carriercomp are nice. The Wolff spring is much better than the factory piece of crap. Your shells will eject onto the elevator with authority. The US made follower is a nice feature to bring you one part closer to 922 compliance.
140 Grams is not that much to be honest especialy for $180. My M4 accepts 7+1 out of the box, when you mean +2 rounds what is the total load capacity ?

[StrangerDanger]

180 might not be worth it if you already have a full length magazine tube, but if you have the 5 round limited tube that all new M4's come with, it is worth considering.

Did you buy yours used? Full length magazine tubes on the M4 will hold seven 2 3/4" shells, or six 3" shells. Plus one in the chamber and one on the shell elevator.

[CHIEF GR]

i bought mine new in September and it was delivered like this:
http://www.kirgias.gr/Userfiles/Products/medium/M4.jpg
They are delivered at a capacity of 7+1 but sold with a restrictor rod which limits it to 3+1 due to our Law requirements. However if you are using it for sport purposes (ex IPSC) you can remove the restrictor rod in less than 3" which gives you a capacity of 7+1 without Ghost Loading.

Also the barell is slightly longer (I think its 52cm vs 50), to meet our barell law requirements.