Looking to buy a Benelli M4 14" SBS

[rickp1]

Hey guys,
A while back I sold my M4 and now I'm thinking of picking up a new one, but this time I want the 14" one.

On my original M4 I put the collapsible stock, extended mag tube an a surefire rail handguard.
What I learned from that system was that I had to have stock all the way out to get a propper check weld and good sight alignment. If the stock was in one notch, (which was my preferred position) I really couldn't see through the ghost rings.

On this 14" I won't do any of those mods except the rail, IMO that's a must since I always have a light on my guns.

Are there any considerations that I need to be aware of with these?
I know the original M4's had some problems with the gas system, are there any issues with these?

If I remember right the 11707 was the model to get with the full size version. Is there a model to look for in the 14" versions?

Also, any reason the 14" system is not in Benelli's website?

Thanks
R.

[Tango two]

Also, any reason the 14" system is not in Benelli's website?

R.

The Benelli SBS requires the NFA transfer and they're not easy to find especially new.

There's someone on GB that has two for sale.

Not inexpensive either.

[rickp1]

Really? So is it smart to get a standard M4 and get a seperate barrel?

[heckler&kochp2000]

Really? So is it smart to get a standard M4 and get a seperate barrel?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=244541864

[rickp1]

Is there any difference between the 11707 and the 14" version?

[heckler&kochp2000]

Is there any difference between the 11707 and the 14" version?

Yes the Barrel thats it ! 14" or 18.5" 11707 other than that nothing else.

[rickp1]

That's what I thought.

Now let me ask you this...
I found 2 in stock model 11724 which should be 14" barrel collapsible stock for $1800.00.
Now there's another place that's asking $3500. Why the big difference?? Am I missing something?

[heckler&kochp2000]

Just the seller wants to make a killing on the sale ! one might come with a standard tock and the other a collapsible stock maybe, thats it.

[Tango two]

The simple laws of supply and demand at work.

The seller on GB hasn't had the reserve met in several attempts.

[rickp1]

the $1700 is with the collapsible stock.

I'm glad there's no difference on the guns. I'll probably pull the trigger on it then. I really kicked myself in the ass for getting rid of my first M4.

That guy's a thief then, asking $3500 for that gun.

[StrangerDanger]

Consider you can send an 18.5" M4 to King Armory and have the barrel cut down to whatever you want for like 300 - 350 dollars. They had the option to go to 10", 12.5" and 14".

You could have the 18" weapon in hand while you wait for the NFA stamp to go through. Then, either just buy a 14" barrel assembly that tend to pop up now and again for about a grand. Or, arrange to have King Armory chop down your 18.5" barrel for the rough price given above. Factory 14" barrels won't have a removable choke either, so this isn't going to be an issue.

Here's a 12" for visual reference:
Israeli IDF variant:
http://www.shotgun.co.il/shotgun/am_benelli_files/am_benelli_view_open.jpg
http://www.shotgun.co.il/shotgun/am_benelli_files/am_benelli_view_closed.jpg

[StrangerDanger]

10.75" Barreled Benelli M4

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x276/lgop/M4SBS1.jpg
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x276/lgop/DSC01602.jpg

This is what I'd build if I was going that route.
I'd beg Kip to make me a custom length Titanium tube to match it. Drop his bolt handle, top rail, hammer, and follower in.

Add a GG&G bolt release. Then add a Surefire M80 rail system.

[rickp1]

Any reason you guys arent' putting in a threaded chock option? I would think it would be a handy thing to have.

R.

[KB Fab]

Any reason you guys arent' putting in a threaded "chock" option? I would think it would be a handy thing to have.

R."
Really? Please tell me why a shotty that short would benefit from "chocks"? I mean really.

[StrangerDanger]

Some quick photoshop of what mine would look like chopped down to 10.75".

http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h417/Zzyzx313/BenelliM4/M4Test.jpg?t=1312271138

[rhane71]

I got mine from Shooterjax. But I have to say it was a long wait. Eight weeks for the transfer and then a couple of months for the BATF to clear the NFA GUN TRUST which cost a few hundred. But now I can buy class 3 items. Oh, and the $200 tax stamp for each item. I personally don't mind waiting. I have other toys that I can play with while I wait. That is why people who have them sell them for so much more. Its not just the weapon, its the time and extra price you pay to own it. Not to say its a valid excuse to charge double. I personally would not sell mine. Plus they are hard to find. Sure you can spend $1600 on a 18" one and spend $300 having it cut down, $200 on having it registered, $300-500 for the NFA GUN TRUST and hopefully your fab guy doesn't screw it up. I personally would wait for the factory one but like I said earlier I have other toys I can play with.

[rickp1]

Yeah chockes. On a 12" I agree but a 14" is not THAT short. It's like an AR15 SBR. 14" is the average and not really considered and SBR, now 11.5, 10.5 now we're talking short.

[texas skeeter]

That guy's a thief .
So is "HK-Pirate"!!:p:D

[ddivinia]

Some quick photoshop of what mine would look like chopped down to 10.75".

http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h417/Zzyzx313/BenelliM4/M4Test.jpg?t=1312271138

What mods do you have on that M4?

I want a rail system - there seems to be a handful of them.

What kind of site is that?

Thanks,
D.

[StrangerDanger]

Benelli M4 11703
Benelli M4 11707 Barrel and Recoil tube
Benelli M4 Collapsible stock
Surefire M80 Rail System
Carriercomp Titanium Magazine Tube
Carriercomp Replacement Top Rail
Carriercomp Hammer
Wolff Magazine Spring
Brownells US Made Magazine Follower
Design Concepts Titanium Charging Handle
DMW Oversized Safety
GG&G Bolt Release
Meprolights Night Sights
Aimpoint T1 on a LaRue Low Mount
BlueForceGear Padded VCAS 2 Point Sling
GearSector Front Sling QD Mount
Mesa Tactical Rear Sling QD Mount
LaRue Index Clips for rail covers
Surefire M600c Scout Light
GearSector Offset Scout Mount

I think that's everything. Of the rail systems I've tried, I like the Surefire M80 the best for the light mounting placement. If I had no light, I would run the stock or reproduction stock handguards. I find that the light placement with the offset mounts are the only viable solution. When mounted at the cardinal points of 9, 3 or 6 o'clock, the lighting device interferes with hand placement unless you're using a forward vertical grip.

[heckler&kochp2000]

The definition of tacticool:cool:
Benelli M4 11703
Benelli M4 11707 Barrel and Recoil tube
Benelli M4 Collapsible stock
Surefire M80 Rail System
Carriercomp Titanium Magazine Tube
Carriercomp Replacement Top Rail
Carriercomp Hammer
Wolff Magazine Spring
Brownells US Made Magazine Follower
Design Concepts Titanium Charging Handle
DMW Oversized Safety
GG&G Bolt Release
Meprolights Night Sights
Aimpoint T1 on a LaRue Low Mount
BlueForceGear Padded VCAS 2 Point Sling
GearSector Front Sling QD Mount
Mesa Tactical Rear Sling QD Mount
LaRue Index Clips for rail covers
Surefire M600c Scout Light
GearSector Offset Scout Mount

I think that's everything. Of the rail systems I've tried, I like the Surefire M80 the best for the light mounting placement. If I had no light, I would run the stock or reproduction stock handguards. I find that the light placement with the offset mounts are the only viable solution. When mounted at the cardinal points of 9, 3 or 6 o'clock, the lighting device interferes with hand placement unless you're using a forward vertical grip.

[ROCKETW19]

What mods do you have on that M4?

I want a rail system - there seems to be a handful of them.

What kind of site is that?

Thanks,
D.
that is a surefire M80 http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main.pl
I have the same one I just decided to sell.
I will sell it for $120 plus your stock hand gaurd if its black.
I also have the gear sector mount same as stranger i will include for $25 http://www.gearsector.com/view/product/221/

[heckler&kochp2000]

will you sell the GS mount alone ?

[rickp1]

StrangerDanger,
Why replace the hammer, bolt release, follower, charging handle?

[ROCKETW19]

for you HK yes no problem!
you have a black stock hand gaurd? trade?

[StrangerDanger]

The hammer was US made for 922 compliance.

The bolt release was larger and easier to hit.

The bolt handle is larger and lighter to increase cyclic time.

http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h417/Zzyzx313/BenelliM4/c020.jpg?t=1312833144

The Scout light is mounted, but it is so low profile that you can't even see it.

[rhane71]

Stranger Danger,

Is it hard to install the Mesa Tactical Rear Sling QD Mount. I want to get one for my M4 SBS w/ C-stock. The hole does not look that wide. Do you push out the split pin and just install the steel bolt? Am I correct in assuming that you don't have to drill or modify to install? Has anyone tried the Sling loop from Mesa that was not push button and which do you prefer?

[StrangerDanger]

The install is a PITA for the Mesa rear sling mount. You knock out the roll pin, then you have to drill out the existing hole all the way through. There is a metal piece inside that must have it's hole enlarged as well. The bolts meet up in the center and screw together. This is easier said than done. It took me 45 minutes of slowly enlarging the hole to to allow everything to meet up properly in the middle. If you make the holes too big, it'll be a sloppy fit and the mount will move. Furthermore, the metal block inside the collapsible stock will not be firmly seated. This block applies tension on the internal nut that the pistol grip screws onto the recoil tube with.


I needed a QD setup rather than the standard straps.

[rhane71]

What size drill bit did you end up with for the final hole size? It seems like I a lot of trouble but I guess if you get it right then it will look cool but if you go to large on the hole then you basically screwed the pooch on your C-stock. I guess I will keep what I have now and just mount the sling to the back of the stock. I just think yours looks cleaner and better. I wonder why they don't mention the install drilling on the web site? thanks for saving me some money.

[StrangerDanger]

They don't want to spook you from buying.

I can't recall what size bit I used. It was back in January. I picked one that had a similar diameter as the shaft of the hardware they supplied. You end up having an allen wrench on both sides of the stock trying to get the hardware to start threading into each other.

You could replace the pistol grip fairly cheaply. They're about 40 bucks at Numricharms stripped. The metal piece inside is the one that you have to be careful with since I haven't found a source for one.

Overall it was worth the 45 minutes of cussing. Another option would be to buy the Magpul UBR threaded QD cup, and get an allen screw that fit the 10 - 24 thread pattern. Knock out the roll pin, slip a thin washer between the allen bolt and go all the way through the pistol grip to the QD cup. Getting the proper overall length 10 - 24 bolt would be the hardest part.

[rhane71]

Thanks for all the information. If I screw this up I can always buy another C-stock or put the original pistol grip stock back on. Thanks..

[rickp1]

If you screw it up, i know someone that might be able to fix it without buying a new one. Don't spend the money on a new one.

R.

[rhane71]

Cool, thanks rick. I will keep you posted.