Best combo 4 slugging

[ishootkittens]

I have a benelli supernova with a carlsons rifled choke tube and I was wondering if anyone has tried this setup and what slugs would be best to shoot out of this combo. I contacted hornady (the bastards) and they told me strickly Their saboted slugs would not stabalize and DO not shoot them out of my choke. I continued to contact carlsons the next day and they said their choke was made of a high grade material and would withstand anything (speed,size, consistancy) if it said slug on the box. I was wondering if Any of you have tried the remmy accutip slugs yet? Thanks

[tyson129]

I have a benelli supernova with a carlsons rifled choke tube and I was wondering if anyone has tried this setup and what slugs would be best to shoot out of this combo. I contacted hornady (the bastards) and they told me strickly Their saboted slugs would not stabalize and DO not shoot them out of my choke. I continued to contact carlsons the next day and they said their choke was made of a high grade material and would withstand anything (speed,size, consistancy) if it said slug on the box. I was wondering if Any of you have tried the remmy accutip slugs yet? Thanks
My Carlson's rifled choke is in the mail and I cant wait to get it, should be here any day. I am going to be hunting black bear with it this weekend, and will be using Brenneke Black Magic 600 gr slugs. These slugs work out of a smooth bore or a rifled barrel. If your going to be hunting deer, those Hornady SST slugs should work great for you, what was their reason for the SSTs to not work out of the Carlson's rifled choke? It will be fine, do some pattern testing. Another slug you could use with the choke are the Brenneke Gold Magnums, I have not tried the AccuTips yet but I have some friends that go nuts over them. Let me know how your pattern tests go and I will let you know how the Gold Magnums pattern on my SuperNova with the Carlson's rifled choke. From what I have read all sabot slugs will work out of a rifled barrel (preferred for long distance shots) or a rifled choke (not as accurate as the fully rifled barrel but allows you to use the sabots). Good luck and talk soon.

[ishootkittens]

well ive heard wonderful things about SST's and decided to contact hornady about their ammo. THey sent me an email back and said strickly... DO NOT USE THESE SLUGS IN A RIFLED CHOKE BECAUSE THE SLUG WILL NOT STABILIZE. ONLY FOR RIFLED SLUG BARRELS ONLY! i was like.. okay.. thank you. ill just go buy brenneke or remmy! bastards. haha

[Trapshooter1]

well ive heard wonderful things about SST's and decided to contact hornady about their ammo. THey sent me an email back and said strickly... DO NOT USE THESE SLUGS IN A RIFLED CHOKE BECAUSE THE SLUG WILL NOT STABILIZE. ONLY FOR RIFLED SLUG BARRELS ONLY! i was like.. okay.. thank you. ill just go buy brenneke or remmy! bastards. haha
Don't forget to try federal truball.

[ishootkittens]

well i figured with the rifled choke tube, the truball wouldnt be as effective. I figured i would need an IC or a MOD choke to get the best results with those.

[tyson129]

What range are you planning on using your SuperNova as a slug gun for IShootKittens?
Right now I am getting consistent 1/2" groups at 50 yards with my SuperNova, Carlson's Rifled Choke, and Brenneke Black Magics. For me that slug is way over kill for deer but I have this setup for Black Bear right now. But you could use their Gold Magnums and get the same exact results because of the identical ballistics. This would allow you to shoot @ 100 yards confidently so long as you are a good shot. Still overkill but just an option to think about.

[Trapshooter1]

well i figured with the rifled choke tube, the truball wouldnt be as effective. I figured i would need an IC or a MOD choke to get the best results with those.
With my results in a smooth bore the rifled choke and sabot slugs didn't provide near as good results as a plain IC choke and truballs. The rifled choke provides only as much rifling as a pistol, and therefore I got about the accuracy of a scoped pistol. I would be confident with a decent sabot slug in a smooth bore with a rifled choke to make a 100 yard deer shot. A rifled slug would get me close to twice that range with almost identical groups.

[ishootkittens]

REally?!?! I just went and bought a rifled choke tube! damn! I live in the appalachan mountains in va. The farthest shot I will ever have to take is about 100. There is very little fields where I live, mostly just thick woods. But your saying that these truballs are the real deal? Damn, so be straight with me here. Am I going to get better results with truball/IC or Sabots/Rifled. Anyone!?!

[Trapshooter1]

REally?!?! I just went and bought a rifled choke tube! damn! I live in the appalachan mountains in va. The farthest shot I will ever have to take is about 100. There is very little fields where I live, mostly just thick woods. But your saying that these truballs are the real deal? Damn, so be straight with me here. Am I going to get better results with truball/IC or Sabots/Rifled. Anyone!?!
I can't answer that with your barrel and loads you may try that are different, but I got better results in a smooth bore with rifled slugs than a rifled choke and sabot slugs. I am being completely straight with you, no lie. If you find out the rifled slugs are better, don't beat yourself up about it, you can always get some of your money back by selling it if that is the case.

[ishootkittens]

yeah.. damn! I figured the rifled choke was too good to be true. Wel i purchased some remmy saboted slugs and I think as soon as my scope gets here im going to throw a couple through it and see what i get. But if i dont get good groups at 100 yards then im prolly just going to switch straight to the truballs.. or to the brenneke rifled. But about how much would a ic choke go for these days.

[Trapshooter1]

yeah.. damn! I figured the rifled choke was too good to be true. Wel i purchased some remmy saboted slugs and I think as soon as my scope gets here im going to throw a couple through it and see what i get. But if i dont get good groups at 100 yards then im prolly just going to switch straight to the truballs.. or to the brenneke rifled. But about how much would a ic choke go for these days.
Your mod choke would work, but for a flush choke, not much:
http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=6706

[ishootkittens]

well **** that aint too bad. But your saying my modified could work? will it give me the same pattern as if I were to use an IC choke? also i dont want it to blow my choke out of my barrel.. im just nervous about using a mod choke.

[Trapshooter1]

well **** that aint too bad. But your saying my modified could work? will it give me the same pattern as if I were to use an IC choke? also i dont want it to blow my choke out of my barrel.. im just nervous about using a mod choke.
You would be safe shooting your slugs through a full, I can't say for sure you will get the same patterns with a mod but they should be pretty close, and give you a good idea of how an IC would work.

[ishootkittens]

so my mod would be okay???

[ishootkittens]

ohh and another thing, those are 2 3/4in right. I read on a lightfield website that it decreases the accuracy if you shoot a 2 3/4 in a 3 1/2 chamber like my supernova. Any thoughts on that.

[Trapshooter1]

Yes a mod choke is ok, I got decent results with my 870 w/ 3.5" chamber so I don't think there is any big affects as far as chamber length, not that I am saying they are non existent.

[ishootkittens]

So your saying that accuracy COULD be affected by by a long chamber.

[tyson129]

So your saying that accuracy COULD be affected by by a long chamber.
That's odd considering the shell is seated forward in the chamber. I have never experienced a difference in accuracy going from a 2-3/4" to a 3" slug, with the exception of ballistic characteristics from different loads and products. Give it a pattern test and get back to us, if you want I can post some pattern tests at 40-50 yards with two different shells. For example a two shot pattern with Brenneke Black Magic 3" and the Brenneke KO 2-3/4". You will only see a slight change in the accuracy but that will be due to the ballistics and not the size of the shell in relation to the chamber IMO.

[ishootkittens]

ballistics? im still alittle confused about this. I would LOVe for you to post some patterns with some brenneke black magics! i was wanting some of these but i figured it was a bit of overkill for deer hunting. If you will post some patterns i would really appreciate it. I was just wanting to try some federal truball since trapshooter seems to insist on them, i just dont want my accuracy to be thrown off by the size of the shell? or ballistics.. im confused to how that affects the shot?

[tyson129]

ballistics? im still alittle confused about this. I would LOVe for you to post some patterns with some brenneke black magics! i was wanting some of these but i figured it was a bit of overkill for deer hunting. If you will post some patterns i would really appreciate it. I was just wanting to try some federal truball since trapshooter seems to insist on them, i just dont want my accuracy to be thrown off by the size of the shell? or ballistics.. im confused to how that affects the shot?
The Black Magics leave quite a unique hole in the targets, I will get some KOs soon and do a comparison for you. It may be after the weekend because I already have some yotes and a bear that I have been after for about a month. After that I will post the shot groups. The black magics are way overkill for deer if your a big venison fan like myself, but if your into dropping them in their spot there is no doubt they will do this and they are one of the most accurate slugs that I have ever shot. And not to mention I have an identical setup as you with the same Carlson's rifled choke and SuperNova. I am using a TruGlo red dot sight on a B-square saddle mount, I am not sure if you are using a scope or not but the red dots are so much fun and hold their zero even when I play hard in the woods. Talk soon
Tyson

[Trapshooter1]

So your saying that accuracy COULD be affected by by a long chamber.
I don't know because I have not tried it myself with a 3" chamber out of an otherwise identical gun.

[ishootkittens]

well i am a huge venison lover.. and i was thinking about using a scope on my shotgun. Just got it back from the blacksmith and he did a good job on the drill and tap job, simply because i couldnt find a good saddle mount. Anyway, the scope im looking at is a 2-7X32 and its a great scope for the value.. the only prob i have with it is the eye relief! only 3.25 inches. I mean i have shot a 300win, and a 7mm with a scope with only 2 in. of eye relief and only been cracked once! but these brenneke's are pretty well known for their recoil. Would 3.25 be enough???

[tyson129]

Here is a link to the difference in the 3" Black Magics to the 2-3/4" Black Magics out of the SuperNova with a Carlson's rifled Choke with the TruGlo red dot sight at 50 yards. I am a little pissed because I was rushed and only brought one 3" Black Magic and a full box of 2-3/4" so there is only one hole for the 3" and 2 for the 2-3/4" shots. Sorry but here are the results. There was a difference in the shots, the 2-3/4" shots were higher, here is the link:
http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=30&pictureid=143
I am a little perplexed due to the fact that the 2-3/4" shots should have hit .4 inches lower than the 3" and they are traveling almost 500 fps slower than the 3" shots. So I guess that the size of the cartridge and the chamber do play a factor in the patterns, as Trapshooter suggested. Pretty cool results and I am happy to have learned something new.
With that being said I would like to confirm a practice that I think every hunter should do before going out to the field and that is to sight their gun for the ammo that they will be shooting during the hunt. This is so important and much overlooked in many cases. Most people think that their gun is sighted in and every round no matter the brand or design will shoot dead on the mark. This test demonstrates that even at a short distance like this (50 yards) that it does make a huge difference. Notice that the 2-3/4" shots were 3 and 4 inches high at 50 yards and they shoot 1" groups exactly (Not Good)! My 600 gr 3" Black Magics get 1/2" groups and under at this range so it appears that my SuperNova likes the 3" Black Magics much better.
My gun was sighted in for the 3" rounds which is why it is within the kill zone while the other smaller rounds are high and could be lethal but not at a comfortable zone I would prefer.
Hope this helps, I know it helped me and continues to reinforce the fact that you must always sight in your gun for the ammo you will be hunting with.
Happy Hunting and a Big Thanks to Trapshooter for the tip that I investigated which turned out being 100% correct. Good going Trapshooter!

[tyson129]

Since We have been talking a lot about the Black Magics I thought I would post some pics. So here are the before and after of this family of slugs. Haven't made much effort to recover a 3" but I did get a 2-3/4" so here they are. I hope this helps in some way.
http://s584.photobucket.com/albums/ss287/tyson129/?action=view&current=Black_Magics4.jpg
http://s584.photobucket.com/albums/ss287/tyson129/?action=view&current=Black_Magics2.jpg

[tyson129]

http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=30&pictureid=142http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=30&pictureid=141

[tyson129]

http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=30&pictureid=138http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=30&pictureid=137

[tyson129]

http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=30&pictureid=139http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=30&pictureid=140

[ishootkittens]

dude, where do you get these? do you order them online or does your local retail sell theM?

[tyson129]

dude, where do you get these? do you order them online or does your local retail sell theM?
I use to get them from Cabelas and I do recommend it if you don't have a local store that sells them. They are $8.00 a box plus shipping and they are the BMM (Black Magic Magnum) on the Brenneke slug section, just make sure you pick out the right size (12 GA 3" or 2-3/4"). Now a local store carries them for $8.22 so its cheaper and more convienient.
Notice on the recovered slug how their wad is still attached to the slug, its just pushed down. The other 2-3/4" I shot got away but I did find the Wad. I will shoot a 3" at some Books and take a picture, I haven't seen one yet so I am pretty excited to see one all mushroomed out because it is much bigger when you compare the two.
Good Luck and Get a Box! I think the 2-3/4" will be perfect for your deer hunting this year since you are shooting within 80 yards and the kick is not bad at all. I will post the 3" once I get out there and shoot some more, have to go out soon and finish sighting in my rifle with the new Leupold Vari-X III 3.5 x 10 x 50mm with Lens Shade.
Happy Hunting :)

[tyson129]

Cabelas Black Magic 3" Slugs just jumped to $11.99 per box plus shipping! I hope that is just because of Hunting Season and not another jump in ammo prices! :eek:

[ishootkittens]

hahahah its alright, thats a small price to pay for the hammer of god hahahaha

[Trapshooter1]

Those look like some hard kickers 4oz is way overkill though. How much do they drop at 100 yards sighted in at 50?

[tyson129]

Those look like some hard kickers 4oz is way overkill though. How much do they drop at 100 yards sighted in at 50?
I have mine sighted in at 88 yards which is the recommended ideal range for sighting in the 3" Black Magics. The Trajectory is as follows:
Muzzle: -2.0"
25 yrds: +.4"
50 yrds: +1.6"
75 yrds: +1.0"
100 yrds: -1.5"

So as you can see they start to drop really fast after 75 yards. Hope this helps, and to answer you question -1.5" if sighted in at 88 yards (Use a range finder).
But this is really not that bad of a trajectory if you think about it because from muzzle to 50 yards you have 3.6" of play and from 50 to 100 yards you have 3.1" of play, but when you look at the big picture you are probably going to shoot something between 25 and 75 yards which is only .6" to 1.2" of vertical play.
Hunt Hard and Have Fun! :)

[ishootkittens]

well dont worry trap, im going to try the truballs too! they have caught my interest as well, but if i find that theyare about the same (accuracy) then im prolly just gunna pick the bigger one! hahah cuz im power hungry. haha jk, but if the truball outshoots the BM then ill stick with it, im also going to experiement with soem sabots as well, i just a broad side of a barn to sight in my gun because boresighters wont do the trick and you never know where them damn slugs are going to go until i get my scope sighted in!

[ArtL]

I just use cheap Remington Sluggers in my M2 tactical with ghost ring sight and have no problem with 75-100 yard shots. This is a smooth bore barrel too. Great gun and in Mass we almost never get shots beyond 50 yards anyway.

[tyson129]

I just use cheap Remington Sluggers in my M2 tactical with ghost ring sight and have no problem with 75-100 yard shots. This is a smooth bore barrel too. Great gun and in Mass we almost never get shots beyond 50 yards anyway.
Is this your best combo as the thread asks or is it just what you use? Have you tested the many brands of slugs out of your gun to see what works best or just bought the cheapos (cause we all know you can kill a deer with a $2 box of ammo) and what kind of groups do you get at the 50 yard shots you take on deer or any other game you hunt with slugs? Just a question so please don't get defensive. Thanks.

[ArtL]

Sluggers give me very tight groups. At 50 yards they will keep everything in the 9 ring on a 100 yard slow fire target. That is off the bench, and when offhand they will stay within an 8" circle (me being the problem) not the gun. I would easily go for 100 yard shots if braced up, again me being the problem. I find that everything I have used doesn't give much better groups than Sluggers. Not being a rifled barrel that may be why, but then again it is good enough for me. Don't know if it will take out a deer this year as the M2 is new this year. I had used an 870 for the past 25 years with good results, most years taking a deer, but didn't like of just got tired of a pump gun.

Oh, did forget to say that after spending 5 years hunting in Alaska (lived there) and a few times in Africa that I only use a slug gun because MA requires it. I don't believe in taking on much besides deer, and never anything that bites back with a slug. I have seen them fail big time, and multiple times, with brown bear in Alaska.

So have fun hunting and maybe you will find a slug and gun combination that pleases you.

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If it was me, I would shoot smoothbore slugs out of an improved cylinder barrel. If your shots are under 100 yards this would be a good setup for slug shooting. I hunt deer with an Remington 870 Wingmaster shotgun with an improved cylinder slug barrel, using smoothbore Remington rifled slugs as this setup works great for me because most of my shots at deer are 50 yards and under. So my advice to you is to get an improved cylinder choke for your supernova and try the Remington smoothbore rifled slugs in it. Good luck hunting.
I have a benelli supernova with a carlsons rifled choke tube and I was wondering if anyone has tried this setup and what slugs would be best to shoot out of this combo. I contacted hornady (the bastards) and they told me strickly Their saboted slugs would not stabalize and DO not shoot them out of my choke. I continued to contact carlsons the next day and they said their choke was made of a high grade material and would withstand anything (speed,size, consistancy) if it said slug on the box. I was wondering if Any of you have tried the remmy accutip slugs yet? Thanks

[tyson129]

Sluggers give me very tight groups. At 50 yards they will keep everything in the 9 ring on a 100 yard slow fire target. That is off the bench, and when offhand they will stay within an 8" circle (me being the problem) not the gun. I would easily go for 100 yard shots if braced up, again me being the problem. I find that everything I have used doesn't give much better groups than Sluggers. Not being a rifled barrel that may be why, but then again it is good enough for me. Don't know if it will take out a deer this year as the M2 is new this year. I had used an 870 for the past 25 years with good results, most years taking a deer, but didn't like of just got tired of a pump gun.

Oh, did forget to say that after spending 5 years hunting in Alaska (lived there) and a few times in Africa that I only use a slug gun because MA requires it. I don't believe in taking on much besides deer, and never anything that bites back with a slug. I have seen them fail big time, and multiple times, with brown bear in Alaska.

So have fun hunting and maybe you will find a slug and gun combination that pleases you.
You shoot a Remington with Remington Sluggers. I have a SuperNova with Black Magics. Here is a fun little shot test at 30 feet, my brother shooting his Remington 887 with Sluggers and me shooting my SuperNova with Black Magics. He scalped the dude, I pretty much put it through the same hole. Free Standing shots but an example of the great results I have been getting from this setup. No comparison, just some fun competition between brothers that applies to this late topic from this weekend. He only took one shot, cause he ran out of slugs, but I took two. I will update these photos to show up here tomorrow after work but for now here are the links.
Mid Range Photo:
http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=47&pictureid=181
Close Range Photo:
http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=47&pictureid=182
(http://s584.photobucket.com/albums/ss287/tyson129/?action=view&current=Slug_BodyShots_11_10_09B.jpg)

[tyson129]

The other unmarked hole at the upper left (scoring box) is another Wad hit. Just noticed that I forgot to circle it and identify it.

[ArtL]

Nice shooting but at 30 feet I could almost throw the gun and do as good. Maybe 30 yards would be a better test and even at that buckshot would do pretty good.

My best shooting is with the M2 tactical and sluggers. The 870 was good to 75 yards if you prayed a bit before letting her fly, and at 50 yards was deadly. The M2 is better and I'm not surprised as it is 25 years newer. They must have made some progress in 25 years with barrels, and the like.

[tyson129]

Nice shooting but at 30 feet I could almost throw the gun and do as good. Maybe 30 yards would be a better test and even at that buckshot would do pretty good.

My best shooting is with the M2 tactical and sluggers. The 870 was good to 75 yards if you prayed a bit before letting her fly, and at 50 yards was deadly. The M2 is better and I'm not surprised as it is 25 years newer. They must have made some progress in 25 years with barrels, and the like.
Most gun fights (HD and such) happen within 12 feet. This is 2.5 times that distance. (This is a target of a man not wild game) Post some pattern tests of how great your 870 is with sluggers instead of just commenting on other people's tests. You are literally involved in a thread that deals specifically with the best combo for shooting slugs out of a BENELLI SuperNova.
Post some pics with the yardages, and if you get down to 30 feet I hope you do throw your gun at the target (Because quite frankly I am sick of hearing about your 870...We all have one(In my case 2, the express and the magnum), they are great little starter guns, but come on if your not going to contribute, stay out. We get it you shoot sluggers through your 870...post some pics even though its irrelevant to the topic here at BENELLI USA Forums. Touch the holes like I did freestanding at 30 feet shooting your slugs...just try to with your amazing 870... and then after you do it (If you can), remember I am shooting a 600 gr slug while doing it.
Post evidence, please do not continue to say you shoot an 870 with sluggers...my head is about to explode.
P.S. Buckshot will destroy just about everything from 10 to way past 30 yards and I doubt you could throw your gun 30 feet (Even though I hope you do)...do you shoot often because I am hearing a lot of BS. Come on man your a 60 year old retired Deputy Fire Chief, lets cut the crap and get back to topic (Slug setup for a SuperNova). Thanks.

[ArtL]

Most gun fights (HD and such) happen within 12 feet. This is 2.5 times that distance. (This is a target of a man not wild game) Post some pattern tests of how great your 870 is with sluggers instead of just commenting on other people's tests. You are literally involved in a thread that deals specifically with the best combo for shooting slugs out of a BENELLI SuperNova.
Post some pics with the yardages, and if you get down to 30 feet I hope you do throw your gun at the target (Because quite frankly I am sick of hearing about your 870...We all have one(In my case 2, the express and the magnum), they are great little starter guns, but come on if your not going to contribute, stay out. We get it you shoot sluggers through your 870...post some pics even though its irrelevant to the topic here at BENELLI USA Forums. Touch the holes like I did freestanding at 30 feet shooting your slugs...just try to with your amazing 870... and then after you do it (If you can), remember I am shooting a 600 gr slug while doing it.
Post evidence, please do not continue to say you shoot an 870 with sluggers...my head is about to explode.
P.S. Buckshot will destroy just about everything from 10 to way past 30 yards and I doubt you could throw your gun 30 feet (Even though I hope you do)...do you shoot often because I am hearing a lot of BS. Come on man your a 60 year old retired Deputy Fire Chief, lets cut the crap and get back to topic (Slug setup for a SuperNova). Thanks.

I think you need to read my threads as I said I use and M2 tactical now and that the 870 was used for 25 years for deer hunting. I may have been a Deputy Fire Chief for 34 years but you may of heard of Vietnam and realized that some of us have shot in anger, and not a paper.

lf I offended you so be it but in this world that happens.

[tyson129]

I think you need to read my threads as I said I use and M2 tactical now and that the 870 was used for 25 years for deer hunting. I may have been a Deputy Fire Chief for 34 years but you may of heard of Vietnam and realized that some of us have shot in anger, and not a paper.

lf I offended you so be it but in this world that happens.
I am not angry or offended in the least, but you sound quite unhappy. Thank you for serving our Country, but lets get back to the topic. The way that we show results here is with shot patterns on paper so we can determine consistency with different combinations and ammo through our various guns. You chose to contribute to this thread and I am only asking for you to upload some evidence to back your statements. So the next time your at the range or your land (Where ever it is that you shoot) please take some photos after your done so that we can all benefit from your results with your M2 and the slugs you used during your session.
You can handle this topic with a little more maturity, anger will get in the way of making good decisions and cloud your judgment.
This is the way that this Forum works.

[ArtL]

I am not angry or offended in the least, but you sound quite unhappy. Thank you for serving our Country, but lets get back to the topic. The way that we show results here is with shot patterns on paper so we can determine consistency with different combinations and ammo through our various guns. You chose to contribute to this thread and I am only asking for you to upload some evidence to back your statements. So the next time your at the range or your land (Where ever it is that you shoot) please take some photos after your done so that we can all benefit from your results with your M2 and the slugs you used during your session.
You can handle this topic with a little more maturity, anger will get in the way of making good decisions and cloud your judgment.
This is the way that this Forum works.

I doubt that I will be on the range anytime soon as I plan to start coyote hunting this Saturday, but I will do as you ask when I have the chance. Don't hold much stock in paper though as I only use for sighting and then move onto iron plates and the like.

Have fun.... shoot often... hit what you shoot and and hopefully someone coming into your house realizes 12 guage slug at short range..... It will be quite a mess.

I have seen the results of a 12 gauge at close range when doing First Responder runs before being promoted to a desk jockey. It is not pretty but is final.

I do believe that trying to say being 60 and a retired person makes someone less capable to judge things is not correct. If that wasn't your intention then so be it, but I would read what you type before posting it.

Anyway good hunting and shooting.

Off topic again, but my S&W 1911 has finally arrived at the shop so Saturday is hunting and gun picking up time. Maybe I could post that target..... LOL.... wrong board.

[tyson129]

I doubt that I will be on the range anytime soon as I plan to start coyote hunting this Saturday, but I will do as you ask when I have the chance. Don't hold much stock in paper though as I only use for sighting and then move onto iron plates and the like.

Have fun.... shoot often... hit what you shoot and and hopefully someone coming into your house realizes 12 guage slug at short range..... It will be quite a mess.

I have seen the results of a 12 gauge at close range when doing First Responder runs before being promoted to a desk jockey. It is not pretty but is final.

I do believe that trying to say being 60 and a retired person makes someone less capable to judge things is not correct. If that wasn't your intention then so be it, but I would read what you type before posting it.

Anyway good hunting and shooting.

Off topic again, but my S&W 1911 has finally arrived at the shop so Saturday is hunting and gun picking up time. Maybe I could post that target..... LOL.... wrong board.
OK....:rolleyes: 12 ga is not my self defense weapon. No intention. Always read before posting. Good luck.
Did you keep up with that..?
Typical MH

[tyson129]

PS good luck yote hunting. I love hunting predators. We are lucky up here in Maine, we get to hunt them year round, no bag limit, and from January to June 5th we can hunt them 24 hours a day. With the only exception being that there is no hunting of any type on Sundays in Maine.
Have a blast and Good Luck.

[ishootkittens]

yeah go to **** ART. That pattern was posted for me because i asked for it. I am planning on getting the same slugs that were used in the patterning test. If I were plannin on using something else i would have never asked for this pattern to begin with. So why dont you let me worry about the distance they were shot and you go and play with your S&W.

[tyson129]

Ishootkittens when are you going to post some pattern tests..hehe j/k Get your camera right and post that junk. I sure am glad that I didn't get the accutips for any of my tests after hearing about your tests even though they look pretty cool (even though we all know that doesn't make a difference) but it is still cool when you whip out a florescent green tipped slug! Keep us posted man! :D

[ishootkittens]

haha yeah.. those accutips tumbled hard at about 50 yards out of my smoothbore, those damn buckhammers left holes the size of a half dollar, but without rifling they were just a hunk of lead floating in the air. i wouldnt trust them when mentioning distance. I hope the BM and the federal truballs pattern better! freakin waste of money was exactly what those accutips were!

[tyson129]

haha yeah.. those accutips tumbled hard at about 50 yards out of my smoothbore, those damn buckhammers left holes the size of a half dollar, but without rifling they were just a hunk of lead floating in the air. i wouldnt trust them when mentioning distance. I hope the BM and the federal truballs pattern better! freakin waste of money was exactly what those accutips were!
Those Black Magics are great for 100 yards and under. Your going to have fun with them. When do you get them again?

[ishootkittens]

well i would love to reach out and touch something at 100 yards! if it stays in a 3 inch group at 80 yards, ill be fine and set in concrete the slugs ill be using come oct. 31! (deer season) ill be gettin em sometime next week.

[tyson129]

well i would love to reach out and touch something at 100 yards! if it stays in a 3 inch group at 80 yards, ill be fine and set in concrete the slugs ill be using come oct. 31! (deer season) ill be gettin em sometime next week.
Nice, If your gun patterns anything like mine than you should get 1/2" groups out to 50 yards and beyond! When I tried the 2-3/4" Black Magics I got 1" groups but with a little tinkering I am sure I could get them closer. Best of Luck with the GREAT White Tailed Deer! You should have a bunch down there considering your in the south and all. Can't wait to see your harvests this year!
Have fun and be Safe!:D

[ishootkittens]

well we do have the EXACT same setup... maybe it will work out that way.

[tyson129]

well we do have the EXACT same setup... maybe it will work out that way.
Yeah except for the scope....:)

[ishootkittens]

hahaha yeah.. maybe that will make a tiny difference but i hope i get the same groupings.

[tyson129]

hahaha yeah.. maybe that will make a tiny difference but i hope i get the same groupings.
I'm guessing it will make a 1x7 difference ;). You have no excuses for being off with that kind of magnification at 50 yards..:D

[ishootkittens]

you are exactly right. hahah if i can zoom in all the way on the target i should not be an inch off at 50 yards. we will just have to see.

[tyson129]

you are exactly right. hahah if i can zoom in all the way on the target i should not be an inch off at 50 yards. we will just have to see.
Can't wait for the results. Are you going to be using a gun rest? Wouldn't want any variables affecting your results.

[ishootkittens]

haha yeah.. a ****** one.. an old wooden table and some bags fulla sand! haha

[Trapshooter1]

haha yeah.. a ****** one.. an old wooden table and some bags fulla sand! haha
Reminds me I used to use a 3.5' wire spool and some bags of grain or feed for a rest is that not redneck?

[ishootkittens]

sir, i am a redneck.hahaha i live on the border of kentucky... but I live in virginia thank god.. thats pretty redneck tho.. i like it.

[tyson129]

sir, i am a redneck.hahaha i live on the border of kentucky... but I live in virginia thank god.. thats pretty redneck tho.. i like it.
Like I told you before I got some redneck in me. HaHAhaHa...
http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=47&pictureid=197
I am the one on the right, my brother is on the left. This is down in some of our Gravel Pits, Where we like to play and do all of our pattern testing and other fun stuff!

[ishootkittens]

ill give you ALL THE REDNECK pics you want. i gottem where you cant see anything but mud.. ive gottem where im eatin a trout raw.. ive gottem where we are flyin down the river in a rebel flag painted canoe with skoal and chew in everybodies mouth.. if its redneck.. weve done it.

[tyson129]

Either way above is one of the best sluggin' combos EVER! HAHAHA :D

[ishootkittens]

no doubt in my mind that you are tellin me the truth! hahah gosh i just wanna go shoot so freakin bad!!! i have no ammo.. none! if someone breaks in my house ill have to resort to the .410 4shot. hahahahaha bring it *****.

[TerpX]

Gents, thanks for all the info on the slug combos. I just picked up a M4 and hope to run some Black Magic before I go deer hunting. Which one would you run in a M4 with the modified choke (2 3/4" or 3")? Any major difference in recoil? Thanks and keep the info coming.

[tyson129]

Gents, thanks for all the info on the slug combos. I just picked up a M4 and hope to run some Black Magic before I go deer hunting. Which one would you run in a M4 with the modified choke (2 3/4" or 3")? Any major difference in recoil? Thanks and keep the info coming.
I would reccomend the 2-3/4" on deer. There is a minor difference in felt recoil between the two, the 2-3/4" being slightly less, but I did notice that it shot slightly higher than the 3".
You are going to have fun shooting them out of the M4. You may want to shoot them out of an IC choke instead of the M but that is my opinion.
Happy Hunting!:D

[TerpX]

Ordered some 2 3/4 Black Magic and a Carlson's IC choke today. Can't wait to shoot em and bag a deer. A lot cheaper than killing them with a car!

[ishootkittens]

hahah yeahhh.. them black magics pack quiiiite the punch. But if you dont care and you want raw killing power then these are your slugs. let us know how they go man.. carlsons is bank!

[tyson129]

Ordered some 2 3/4 Black Magic and a Carlson's IC choke today. Can't wait to shoot em and bag a deer. A lot cheaper than killing them with a car!
Awww man if you can, cancel your order for the IC choke, unless you don't have one, which you should have got one with your gun. See if you can change your order to a rifled choke, you will get much better results with much better accuracy! They take a day sometimes less sometimes more, so I would call them if that is a change that you want to make. If you don't have an IC choke well you should have one in your collection, but the rifled choke with your scope is going to give you the ability to reach out and touch something.
I am so sorry if I misled you by saying go with a IC choke instead of Modified, I just figured you had the IC. Check your chokes and if you need to make the change give them a call, don't do email because you will literally get Mr. Carlson on the phone if you desire, they are really good over there with customer service and you will correct anything that has not been shipped yet.
Good Luck! Let me know how everything Goes! Sorry if I just had you waste money on an IC....I should have just reccomended the rifled choke from the get go...Its what we are using with the Black Magics and other Brenneke Products!
Keep us Posted
Tyson

[TerpX]

No worries Tyson. I got a gift card from Cabela's and didn't spend a dime. I only received the choke that came on the M4 so picking up a rifled choke later is not a problem. Thanks again for all the great info and hope to get a range report in asap. What distance do you gents sight in your slugs? I probably won't push beyond 50 around here.

[tyson129]

No worries Tyson. I got a gift card from Cabela's and didn't spend a dime. I only received the choke that came on the M4 so picking up a rifled choke later is not a problem. Thanks again for all the great info and hope to get a range report in asap. What distance do you gents sight in your slugs? I probably won't push beyond 50 around here.
You will want to start in close and get it on the paper, move back gradually until you reach your desired distance. The 3" Black Magics should be sighted in at 88 yards for ideal use (70 yards for the 2-3/4"). If you sight it in for 88 yards you will know exactly where you will hit on the animal from muzzle to 100 yards. Here is the link to show you what I mean:
For the 3" Black Magics
http://www.brennekeusa.com/web/text/magnum12.html
For the 2-3/4" Black Magics
http://www.brennekeusa.com/web/text/magnum_short12.html
Happy Hunting! :D

[ishootkittens]

psst.. hes telling the truth! 88 yards is the optimal sighting distance! like it matters ifyour an inch high/low/right/left... whatever these things hit.. they are done. the entrance hole is easily an inch! but the exit hole... i dont wanna talk about it!

[TerpX]

Thanks for the info gents. Just received the Black Magic and IC choke from Cabela's. Dang they're fast! I'm keeping the IC choke to build up my collection. I'll let you know how the Black Magics group in the M4 with the rifle choke. I don't have a scope yet but may just go with the ghost ring sights.

[ishootkittens]

even with the ghost ring you will be fine! a scope will be good but if your going to use it for home defense still i wouldnt get something would a load of zoom.

[TerpX]

Got to shoot some Black Magic out of the M4. Nice. I only shot it at about 15 yrds at my buddy's place but all 3 rounds were touching. Thanks to all the members for their advice and recommendations.

[appandoff]

lol its funny because blizzard makes a lot of money off warcraft and they are like totally wasting all that money and not caring about the game because money you see

LOL SO FUNNY

[U.Hunter]

psst.. hes telling the truth! 88 yards is the optimal sighting distance! like it matters ifyour an inch high/low/right/left... whatever these things hit.. they are done. the entrance hole is easily an inch! but the exit hole... i dont wanna talk about it!

hey kittens go to cheaper than dirt they have brenneke shells there at what I think is a fairly reasonable price. If not there, then check out wholesale hunter.

[ishootkittens]

no ****? do they have my black magics? i dont have a magazine handy. i appreciate the info tho dude!

[U.Hunter]

Just go to their homepage and ammo search. I think up to $100 on ammo s&h is $13.99

[ishootkittens]

well **** that aint bad at all.. i think ima give the green lightnings a chance next year anyway.. ive heard good things about them. Any kind of knowledge about the GL's.

thanks.

[U.Hunter]

well **** that aint bad at all.. i think ima give the green lightnings a chance next year anyway.. ive heard good things about them. Any kind of knowledge about the GL's.

thanks.

Really at $7.00 a box buy a bunch and have fun.

[ishootkittens]

have you ever used any GL's?

[U.Hunter]

They are basically the equivilant of the field short magnum. little bit of a kick but if you don't like recoil you wouldn't shoot thesein the first place right. Sight them in just like Brenneke says and your on the money. And I swear by them.

[ishootkittens]

thanks alot bro!

[U.Hunter]

The only difference that I know of between the GL and field short magnum is that the GL has the green coating over the entire round.

[ishootkittens]

is that the special coating that is used with the blackmagics? if so that stuff is great with reducing leading.. but it does spreak that black paint junk everywhere.. but its easier to clean. So the field shorts.. are they accurate. Remember i have a rifled choke.. do you think that will have an effect

[needinga8gauge]

i have win power point 1 oz @ 1700 fps and they shoot like butter no kick at all .

[ishootkittens]

are those the real cheap ones? i used those and got real good results believe it or not!!!

[U.Hunter]

The field short magnums have same ballistics as the GL just the fsm don't have the coating on the slug . I have heard that brenneke is going to discontinue them in place of the GL.

[needinga8gauge]

13$ for 10rds if thats cheap ?

[ishootkittens]

damn that is cheep dawg. I paid 11.99 +s&h for ONE box of 5 when i purchased the BMM.
Hunter.. your info says your from SE KY? im from SW VA haha.. where about are you from.

[U.Hunter]

Lake Cumberland Somerset KY U?

[U.Hunter]

Got that Benelli slug barrel $270 now we can build a good brush slug gun for Oh this year.

[ishootkittens]

where the **** did you find a slug barrel for $270

and i have been to lake cumberland. i live about an hour outside of middlesboro. I go to the dentist there! haha. as a crow flies im about 70 miles away from ya!

[U.Hunter]

Found the barrel on Gunbroker. No reserve.