Smooth is Fast, Less is More. [Archive]

m4p226n

03-18-2009, 01:07 PM

Here's my opinion about adding a lot of extras to a stock Benelli M4:

If it isn't a functional improvement, why add mods?

Greg

Duggan

03-18-2009, 01:47 PM

Ok, rate my m4.

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m254/duggan12/m4current-small.jpg

Full length tube and spring, enlarged bolt handle, enlarged bolt release.

It must be your wet dream, as those are the three main functional improvements, if you want to call them that.

m4p226n

03-19-2009, 01:00 PM

Terrific shotgun you have there Duggan. My kind of weapon.

Enjoy it in good health.

Renault

03-19-2009, 09:09 PM

Here's my simple credo about adding all manner of junk to a perfectly good Benelli M4:

If it isn't a functional improvement, don't add it.

I realize that this may anger the teenagers and members of the 'Video Games Rock' generation. Well, frankly, I don't care.

Hey, tell me where to go and where I'm wrong. But be prepared to defend your argument.

Greg

I'm going to add a cupholder for my rockstar's... and a pouch for my i-pod

Functional right?

Waltershumate2

03-19-2009, 09:17 PM

Ha Ha Ha.....thats funny:)

m4p226n

03-20-2009, 09:56 AM

Hey I have an idea for you - I heard that some folks buy a speedfeed stock and put their lip gloss in it instead of an extra round. Whatever floats your boat, I say.

Mike Grasso

03-20-2009, 09:35 PM

If it isn't a functional improvement, don't add it.

Greg

What is your definition of "functional improvement"?

Mg

M1014

03-20-2009, 10:59 PM

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/shield.JPG

m4p226n

03-20-2009, 11:50 PM

What is your definition of "functional improvement"?
Mike, functional improvements can certainly mean different things to different people, no doubt about it. I think we can agree though that some things aren't functional improvements, can't we?

Let me try one extreme example just to start things off...how about desert camo on a weapon that will never be within 1,000 miles of a desert?

What about you - can you give some examples of non-functional improvements (an oxymoron, but you know what I mean)? Surely you can think of a few...it's kind of like pornography - hard to define but you know it when you see it.

m4p226n

03-20-2009, 11:53 PM

waterfowler050

03-21-2009, 01:59 AM

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/shield.JPG
firstly whats the heat shield actually do? second isnt that stock colapsible? or are the scelitonized ones not colapsible.still it can be a $700 part without a functionable use.:rolleyes:

ERdept

03-21-2009, 08:28 AM

...I'd add collapsible stock to the list, unless you're going to shoot with a vest or fast rope from a helicopter with it. The collapsible stock is tacticool but serves no functional purpose for the average guy. It's just one more moveable part to break.

So, if you don't do all that stuff, and you're an average guy, an adjustable stock wouldn't be any help at all, even if it helps to shoulder and fit the gun more quickly?

I remember many complaints and two threads on here asking how to chop the buttstock down because it's long.

But, I suppose an adjustable stock just won't help because we're not fast roping and wearing armor.

m4p226n

03-21-2009, 09:35 AM

ER,
I had an M4 with a collapsible stock at one time because I got it at a terrific price. The adjustments on it were too lengthy to make it useful in the sense of making it fit better...IOW, the first step down didn't shorten it a little, it shortened it a lot. I can understand wanting to improve the LOP by shortening the stock a little for folks with shorter arms, but the collapsible stock just wasn't useful in that way.

Can you think of any common mods that you run across that you might consider non-functional?

m4p226n

03-21-2009, 09:38 AM

Mike,
I was thinking about your question about the definition of functional vs. non-functional...cosmetic changes might be a good place to start.

Nothing wrong with cosmetic changes per se if that's your thing...it's your gun after all...but I can't think of a cosmetic change that would be functional other than the camo finish if you're patrolling in the desert.

m4p226n

03-21-2009, 10:12 AM

Here are a few examples of what I would consider useless mods:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d110/gregpriest/M4bayonetlug2.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d110/gregpriest/M4breachingstandoff.jpg

A breaching standoff? A bayonet?

m4p226n

03-21-2009, 10:14 AM

Yeah I know it's an 870, but here's the bayonet lug for the M4. Would this really be considered a functional accessory?

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d110/gregpriest/M4bayonetlug.jpg

m4p226n

03-21-2009, 10:21 AM

I loved Duggan's picture:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d110/gregpriest/DontworrysirImfromtheintenet.jpg

Think this guy has an extra mod or two that he probably won't ever need? ;)

SgtCathy

03-21-2009, 11:08 AM

Hi There M4p226n,

By any chance do you recall where you got the bolt-on bayonet attachment displayed on your shotgun? Inquiring minds with a 16+1/2 inch M1917 shotgun bayonet would be interested....

M1014

03-21-2009, 11:11 AM

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/MVC-003S4.JPG

m4p226n

03-21-2009, 12:08 PM

shotgunworld.com > Forum Index > Tactical/HD Shotguns > benelli m4 bayonet?

NTSOS

03-21-2009, 04:16 PM

This is ok..............right?

The T1 is supposedly for my ar15.........but damn, I like it! :)

http://www.pbase.com/image/110457537.jpg

John

m4p226n

03-23-2009, 10:18 AM

Nice. But do you find that the sling gets in the way more than it is useful? I only sling the gun if I'm taking a class. Otherwise as a HD weapon the sling just seems to get in my way.

NTSOS

03-23-2009, 10:36 AM

Nice. But do you find that the sling gets in the way more than it is useful? I only sling the gun if I'm taking a class. Otherwise as a HD weapon the sling just seems to get in my way.

Yep, I agree for HD........not needed!

John

ryan_kalani

06-04-2009, 07:07 PM

This is ok..............right?

The T1 is supposedly for my ar15.........but damn, I like it!

John
can you cowitness irons with that set up? what mount did you use for the t-1

Unobtanium

06-04-2009, 08:09 PM

can you cowitness irons with that set up? what mount did you use for the t-1

There is no optic as of yet that will co with the stock irons UNLESS:

Take an M4 rail, have it milled/machiend to accept a JPoint. THAT MIGHT! work.

Duggan

06-04-2009, 11:10 PM

can you cowitness irons with that set up? what mount did you use for the t-1

Cowitness is over rated on a shotgun ...

That's what quick release is for ... IMO.

If your optic fails you in the heat of the epic megabattle you undoubtedly are destined to use your m4 in, rip that **** off and go back to using irons and screaming obscenities.

LeoAtrox

06-05-2009, 11:02 AM

Cowitness is over rated on a shotgun ...

That's what quick release is for ... IMO.

If your optic fails you in the heat of the epic megabattle you undoubtedly are destined to use your m4 in, rip that **** off and go back to using irons and screaming obscenities.

If you're using shot, you might not even have to worry about it. Slugs sure, but with sporting shot loads (and maybe even 00 if you've got a cylinder or IC choke) I think the spread will pretty much allow you to point instinctively.

Duggan

06-05-2009, 04:43 PM

If you're using shot, you might not even have to worry about it. Slugs sure, but with sporting shot loads (and maybe even 00 if you've got a cylinder or IC choke) I think the spread will pretty much allow you to point instinctively.

I agree.

Half the time I shoot my m4 I do it without really lining up or looking at the irons.

With some practice and good form you can kind of just position your body at the thing you want to hit and the gun does the rest.