Synthetic R-1

[Nikolai552]

That gun looks almost... Military-ish :p. It's quite the Bad*** looking hunting machine. I'm sure Benelli could modify it to meet the standards of a medium range sniper rifle for the military. . . Don't you think so?

[tucker301]

No.
2 MOA accuracy isn't sniper class
It loses zero when the barrel is removed.
Its gas system fouls horribly.
Its trigger pull is akin to that of a windex spray bottle.

[Nikolai552]

You don't think if they did enough monkey'ing around, they could make it military worthy?

[tucker301]

You mean like this?
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/fnar-light.png

or this

http://www.fnhusa.com/support/images/dynamic/m/FNM0138mb.png
The R1 would have some serious catching up to do.

[CanadianTrap]

in case the gas operating system on both the R1 and the M4 are the same, why is it that the R1 fouls so bad... I havent heard anything bad about the M4 gas system...

[Nikolai552]

That bottom gun looks familiar, but what is the top one?

[CanadianTrap]

methinks that's a browning BAR....

[tucker301]

http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/firearms/family.asp?fid=FNF049&gid=FNG022

http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/firearms/family.asp?fid=FNF011&gid=FNG006

[Nikolai552]

Holy ****. Wouldn't mind having that FNAR. No coin for expensive weapons at this time in my life. Guess i will have to live with my 63 year old Russian 7.62x54R ( Hey, it gets the job done.) :D

[tucker301]

methinks that's a browning BAR....

Good eye!
The FNAR is based on the Browning BAR action.

[Nikolai552]

1 MOA on the FNAR? Pshh. Pathetic. I have .5 MOA with my Russian W*** Rifle :p

[tucker301]

1 MOA is their minimum standard.
Imagine Benelli making that kind of promise :rolleyes:

[Nikolai552]

If i ever get a rifle for Hunting, it will be a Remington 700 Synthetic.:cool:

[tucker301]

If i ever get a rifle for Hunting, it will be a Remington 700 Synthetic.:cool:

I don't think I'll ever buy another Remington. Not as long as Savage keeps doing what they're doing.
Makes no sense to spend $100 - $200 more for a rifle that doesn't shoot as well.

[Nikolai552]

Well what does this tell you, Marine Snipers use the R700. I'm sure if the Savage was better they would be using that. Given that those are military grade/use R700's, I think they know why they bought them, and so far they have been successful with them.

[tucker301]

I'm very much aware of what the Marines use.
They don't use off the shelf rifles, however. Contractors use the base Remington actions and little else to build the government's goods.

What I am saying is that pound for pound, dollar for dollar, and shot for shot, you cannot buy a more accurate out of the box production rifle than the Savage.

They're not as refined looking and they can be a bit clunky, but the SHOOT.

But don't take my word for it.
Read how factory Savages swept the Hickory Egg Shoot this year. (http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com/2008/04/09/savage-factory-guns-win-hickory-shoot-savage-6br-ships-this-week/)

"600-yard World-Record-holder Terry Brady gave us a call this morning and reported: “You may not believe it, but a factory Savage won it all this year at the Hickory Groundhog Shoot.”
Terry said it was raining through much of the event, and many of the custom rifle shooters had tight groups but were not centered up on the target. This is a score event, with concentric scoring rings on cardboard groundhog silhouette targets at 100, 300 and 500 yards.
The overall match winner shot a Savage factory.223 Rem varminter, according to Terry. “A couple of them Savage guys had their groups nicely centered up on the targets, and that’s what it took to win.”

[Nikolai552]

What do you know about Ruger? (this is a serious question)
As far as their bigger caliber (.308) rifles?

[Novaking]

rugers are tanks.

[Novaking]

And I agree with tucker on the savage rifles. They make a new shooter an expert.

[tucker301]

What do you know about Ruger? (this is a serious question)
As far as their bigger caliber (.308) rifles?

I know little to nothing about them.
I know I've never seen one at a match.
I know that you almost never see them mentioned on the boards regarding serious accuracy.

.308 is not a big caliber

[Nikolai552]

I didn't say it was big, i said "bigger".