1873s.a. Cattleman Black Powder Cap & Ball

[smokin_gun]

I got this 1873 Uberti Cattleman that's Black Powder Cap & Ball. I can't seem to find any info on it. Anyone know where I can get info on it?

[azhighpoint]

An 1873 Cattleman is a cartridge gun, not cap and ball. It will shoot smokeless or black even though it may be a black powder frame. Try a Uberti Dealer for printed info.

[Gunsmith]

There is an 1873 single action that looks exactly like the cartridge gun except that the cylinder has nipples and the gun functions as a cap and ball revolver. The hammer blow is offset enough from center that a cartridge cylinder won't work in it. It does not have a loading lever, so you have to pull the cylinder to load it. It even has an ejector for cartridges, even though there are no cartridges to be ejected.
I don't think they have been very popular--most people would rather use the traditionally designed cap & ball model with a loading lever. Haven't seen any instructions for them, but it is no problem to use a short starter to load the chambers when the cylinder is out of the gun. For safety, install the cylinder before capping the nipples.

[ 04-16-2005, 09:14 PM: Message edited by: Gunsmith ]

[smokin_gun]

Thanks for all the info folks. I found alot out at another forum,http://www.voy.com/60048/, Another good forum on BP revolvers. This 1873 BP is still sold by dixie gun works $295. EMF loader that works for .36 to .44 cal Colt, Rem, and my S.A. rev $14.95.
<img src="http://tinypic.com/4kilxe" alt="Image hosted by TinyPic.com">

[smokin_gun]

Oh azhighpoint do a lil more research before you try drawin down on a smokin_gun... LOL! It is a Cap & Ball partner. There was a run of them by UBERTI made for England where they can't own cartridge guns. They got popular and the price was right. Therefore they are still being sold. They are a really nice piece, I tried to put a pic on here but guess they won't let you.

[smokin_gun]

Gunsmith you nailed it, that's the one ... I love it. No wedge to bend ie Colt, smoother action and tighter than a 1858 Remington. They have brought them out in a 5 1/2" (Pieta) mines a 7 1/2" and I don't plan on practicing quickdraw with it. But I am pretty fast.. lol.

[smokin_gun]

Benelli forums don't seem to have alot of Cap & Ball forums. Or am I just missing something?

[smokin_gun]

Tyin' ta link some pic's of the 1873BP...
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[englishbob]

Hey smoking-gun! I have two 1873 BP SAA! As you stated, they were born out of necessity after cartridge handguns were banned in the UK. Mine have the 4.75" and 7.5" barrels. I love 'em.

Got myself an 1861 Navy and a 1873 Sporting rifle by Uberti also.

One question, did I read you right when you said there was an aftermarket loader available from EMF? Do you have a link? I could really dowithan extra.

Regards,

Bob

[smokin_gun]

Bob this link should take you right to it, it works great .. loads most everything great price.

http://www.traditionsmuzzle.com/eShop/10Expand.asp?ProductCode=A1309

[smokin_gun]

Bob how do you like the 1861 Navy? I was checking for something differant to get and ran across, at DWG, an 1862 "Pocket Navy" I think it was $240.00 Uberti. I'll paste the discription of it and a Pic link. P/N; RH0415
Often erronously called the Model 1853, the Pocket Navy shared serial numbers
with the Model 1862 Police pistol. Has one piece grips with a European walnut
stock. Comes with a color casehardened steel frame. Barrel is a .36 caliber,
blued, 5 1/2", tapered octagon. Brass backstrap and oval triggerguard. Color
casehardened loading lever and hammer. Cylinder engraved w/stagecoach "hold-up"
scene. Manufactured by Uberti/Italy.

DWG List: http://www.dixiegunworks.com/default.php?cPath=22_92_187_189&osCsid=953bf99c8d501b8c1df42b81df74ce9b

http://tinypic.com/52ig5w

[englishbob]

Smokin-Gun,

The 1861 Navy is a great little revolver! Mine is the one also cut for a shoulder stock. Certainly looks purdy with that attached!

Like all of the Uberties I have or have had, it shoots well. With Triple 7 and a conical bullet dropped from a Lee mold it will give 3" cosistantly at 25yds, after opening up the rear notch. It will give 7" at 50 yds with the stock.

I've alsways had a hankering for the "pocket" models. There's just something about a "belly gun"! I'm particularly fond of the 1849, but just don't like brass back staps/frames.

At $240 it's almost disposable! Go for it!!

Thanks for the link of the loader, one now coming my way!!

Regards,

Bob.

[smokin_gun]

Originally posted by englishbob:
Smokin-Gun,

The 1861 Navy is a great little revolver! Mine is the one also cut for a shoulder stock. Certainly looks purdy with that attached!

Like all of the Uberties I have or have had, it shoots well. With Triple 7 and a conical bullet dropped from a Lee mold it will give 3" cosistantly at 25yds, after opening up the rear notch. It will give 7" at 50 yds with the stock.

I've alsways had a hankering for the "pocket" models. There's just something about a "belly gun"! I'm particularly fond of the 1849, but just don't like brass back staps/frames.

At $240 it's almost disposable! Go for it!!

Thanks for the link of the loader, one now coming my way!!

Regards,

Bob. Glad you liked the link and ordered the Loader you'll be pleased. I opted to go with my heart felt needs and odrered an 1851Colt/Pietta Hartford Series fro EMF .44 51/2"barrel steel frame $169.90. Also they and Cabelas have the 1849 in a steel frame for $249.99 in case you wanna see um here's the sites.

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/index/index-display.jhtml;jsessionid=OMCBHIT1TVLAZTQSNOLSCNOOC JVYQIWE?id=cat20817&navAction=jump&navCount=1&parentId=cat20712&parentType =category&cmCat=MainCatcat20712&_requestid=38117 (http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/index/index-display.jhtml;jsessionid=OMCBHIT1TVLAZTQSNOLSCNOOC JVYQIWE?id=cat20817&navAction=jump&navCount=1&parentId=cat20712&parentType=category&cmCat=MainCatcat20712&_requestid=38117)

or the Cabelas.com and seacrch for precussion I know that ones kinda long....lol but it will take youto the revolvers.

and

http://www.emf-company.com/

[englishbob]

The 1851 is probably the the best looking revolver ever made! Including the Python! You made a good choice there SG!

That EMF 1863 Remington, now there's a "real" steamboat gamblers hideaway. And those prices. You wouldn't believe what we pay in the UK!

I'm in Florida in August, I wonder, should I...................!!!!LOL

Regards,

Bob.

[smokin_gun]

If you'll be in Florida, here's a good place i have dealt with owner's name is Richard: It's in Orlando, FL
http://www.buffalobillsshootingstore.com/muzzleloaders.html
have a nice Holiday, go for it get what ya want...HeHe!

[ 06-03-2005, 06:03 PM: Message edited by: smokin_gun ]

[rimfires]

I feel I gotta disagree with your choice for best looking pistol, Bob. How about the Colt 1862 Police? If you are looking for something different try asking your local gunshop or Henry Krank for a peek at the Palmetto Arms revolvers. They do a cracking Whitney .36 Navy (I recently tested one and put eighty (80!) rounds through it without any sign of binding from the powder fouling) and, to my knowledge, the only repro of the Colt Roots revolver. Prices are very keen.

[englishbob]

The 1862 Police is the size I like, but you can't beat an octagonal barrel for looks, in my book. I think also, I'm the only one I know who loves that big "elbow joint" rammer!! LOL Explains my liking for the 1849!

A Colt Roots, now that would be interesting.......

[smokin_gun]

Originally posted by englishbob:
The 1862 Police is the size I like, but you can't beat an octagonal barrel for looks, in my book. I think also, I'm the only one I know who loves that big "elbow joint" rammer!! LOL Explains my liking for the 1849!

A Colt Roots, now that would be interesting....... The 1862 Police looks good although I perfer the look of the 1860 pocket navy with octagon barrel 5shot .36. But the Colt 1851 Navy really is the Untimate in looks and feel/balance. That Whitney is a very good choice. I was going to get a Rogers & Spencers as they are in .44 but opted to stay with my favorite shooter and home protection gun the 1858 Remington. I did purchase at Gunbroker. com a NIB Uberti 1851 Navy for $150 I got very lucky Bob.

[smokin_gun]

Hey Bob when you get a chance come and visit me at my home forum. Alot of fun and good info, very lively most of the time. If I'm not there tell um I invited you. I promise they won't shoot or lynch ya.

http://www.voy.com/60048/

[englishbob]

Hey SG,

I've tried getting to your forum, the link don't seem to work! Probably doesn't help that I'm technically inept!!

I'll keep trying!

Bob.

[rimfires]

Found your forum right off there, SG. Looks like a great place to visit. I've added it to my favourites and will drop by whenever I get the time. Some great links, too.

[smokin_gun]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by rimfires:
Found your forum right off there, SG. Looks like a great place to visit. I've added it to my favourites and will drop by whenever I get the time. Some great links, too. [/QUOTE

]Thought I'd return the visit fro you and English Bob.
Didnt get to talk to Bob but sure I will see you both soon. Hey what is that a Remington single shot, a test gun, low wall, rollin block, something to drive me nuts or whay Rim. Hey I gave you an easy one the Adams for you is like Colt to me..HeHe ... see ya back at the ranch. And I was serious if you are ever out West here in the Mojave we'll go run down some Jacks while bitin the heads of a rattlers doin a Pale Rider reload while grabbin the last two jacks we nailed, I would gladly take you on a trek in the Mojave and bust some caps up ithe Mountains at our range. Later....

[ 06-28-2005, 04:25 AM: Message edited by: smokin_gun ]

[smokin_gun]

Originally posted by englishbob:
Hey SG,

I've tried getting to your forum, the link don't seem to work! Probably doesn't help that I'm technically inept!!

I'll keep trying!

Bob. Bob it was down for a while.. Murpy's Law must have been in effect... Good to see you made it there ... try in our Am and see if we meet up,....

[*Carl*]

Originally posted by smokin_gun:
I got this 1873 Uberti Cattleman that's Black Powder Cap & Ball. I can't seem to find any info on it. Anyone know where I can get info on it? Smokin, is this yer gun?

http://images.gunsamerica.com/upload/976617926-1.jpg

PS: Really replied just to see if I could include a photo.

[englishbob]

Carl,

Is yours without the ejector rod? Here's one of mine with.

http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/2521/11616425mo.th.jpg (http://img351.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11616425mo.jpg)

[*Carl*]

Originally posted by englishbob:
Carl,

Is yours without the ejector rod? Here's one of mine with.

http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/2521/11616425mo.th.jpg (http://img351.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11616425mo.jpg) Bob,

Nope, I don't own this gun. I saw it for sale at this address http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976617926.htm

[smokin_gun]

Hi folks! Rim or Bob you in here? Or anyone with knowlege of an 1848 3rd gen Colt Dragoon... I got a deal goin that I'm about to purchase jus' wondering if it sound good to anyone else. $550 with a.45 Colt conversion kit. I'll try to post a pic or two.
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Actually the only question I got for ya's is would you go for it? Thanks in advance...
SG

[smokin_gun]

Well, Thanks anyway but I got it Was a great deal! Got a 3rd Generation Colt 3rd Dragoon in Near unfired condidion for less than 1/2 what they are going for $250 and the R&D Conversion .45LC thats worth $250. As they said in "Dances with Wolves" Good Trade. I'm Happy anyway.

SG

[ 08-27-2005, 07:51 PM: Message edited by: smokin_gun ]