No guides/ranch programs

[shell waster]

I would like to watch a little more frequently hunting programs that have no guides or the host does not go to an expensive ranch. I know some states/provinces require guides, but not all. Does anyone else feel this way too?

[birddog]

shell ... Yeah, I laugh at the fact that these guys are out on guided planted birds, or 'farm hunts' for whitetails and such ... I've been in some crazy situations as far as #'s of birds per acre go but, to see sown sorgum with 'sidewalks' cut out makes me chuckle about what I'm watching. Yes, I belong to a club but, thats out of necessity for the dogs since I don't own 1,000 acres myself.

what I'd love to see is 3 guys out busting brush on their own ... I remember last month or so - one show of Shotgun Journal where they were in the prickers on their FIRST ... yes, the two hosts said, "FIRST", woodcock hunt ... but with a guide.. I could ramble on about this topic. All in all I'd love to see some 'natural' setting hunts as you mentioned where there are no guides/dog handlers -or- farms.

[shell waster]

I just like seeing shows were hosts have to hunt like the average guy, where they don't always limit out, every other duck isn't banded and in the last minute of their week hunt they don't get that 165 B/C whitetail. Why do deer hunting shows do this, "Folks it was the last minute of the last day and I finally got the deer we were after". They are not fooling me, it's called editing for drama. Instead i would wish they would say, "Folks I got this monster buck the first day and now I can go fishing, have a cold one and party with the guys" That would probably help the outfitter more. I am glad I'm not the only one that gets a chuckle.

[John Airala]

I have not seen a single one of those shows that portrays the hunting honestly. I guess TV and reality are incompatible exept the news programs. Luckily I could care less about what those tv hunters say or do, there are enough birds where I hunt that I can go do it instead of watch it. http://www.sportingdestinations.com/files/IMG0106b10cmwide.jpg

[birddog]

entertainment purposes only smile.gif .... such are most news programs too ;)

[fezman]

all most all tv shows are nothing but long commersials with some videos of people shooting things thrown in to keep you watching. i would love to do a nice 3 camera shoot of one of our field trials to show just how much work goes into training a dog. how many get sent home empty handed and how boring it can be. dont forget getting tossed into the mud by some angry hack horse or missing a bird on a retreveing call back. and all the politics and complaining that goes on.

[wolfb4you]

I'd hate to clean all those birds. Probably keep me from shooting them.

[threeshot]

What kind of birds are in the picture?

Was this hunt in Argentina?

Who went home with all the birds?

[John Airala]

Bird boys get the birds. They are dove.
Yup, Argentina. I have lots more pictures and video clips too if you want to see them. Just, please don't anyone start with the criticism of killing on this scale. These birds are a pest here.

[threeshot]

John,

As you may know, here in the USA the doves are food and not just live sporting clays.

Well at least for me. In my youth, my father and the people I hunted with had a strict hunting ethics.

We stayed within the limit by law for the game we were hunting, we always tracked down our injured or killed game (or a least made one heck of an effort by the group), and we used the hunt for food. Of course, safety was number one. Some people did not get invited back to hunt with us if they did not agree or by their actions did not honor our hunting ethics.

We would have a once-a-year picnic and invite a lot of people to enjoy the different game that we hunted. Dove, squirrel, pheasant, rabbit, quail, duck, deer and others I cannot remember.

My Dad and I would dove hunt exclusively. We gave it up due to the farmers were willing to let anyone hunt their property that paid them five or ten dollars back in the early 1980’s.

It was ridiculous. You had hunters 20 – 30 feet apart. A dove would fly down the field and it sounded like a 21-gun salute going off for a military funeral. You had people arguing over who shot the bird as well as people that shot at low birds in a field that is crowded with people.

I have been out of the sport for many years. Just this year, I am starting to learn to shoot sporting clays. This is fun and safe.

Regards, threeshot

[fezman]

i was wondering more about all the lead that goes into the ground than the pests that need to be killed. i did a little research on the argentina dove hunts and they offer 2500 shells thats about 160lb of lead dumped into the ground to leach into the soil and into the water. that cant be healthy. any 6 legged froggs floating around down there?

[John Airala]

I am in the habit of answering honestly and speaking my mind. So here goes. About the lead in the soil thing.
BEATS THE HECK OUT OF ME!
I do know however that the pesticides that are used on the soy bean fields kill the perdiz. This worries me more than the lead. Maybe someone on this forum can dig up a study on the toxicity of lead relative to concentration in soil and shed some light on this.

[John Airala]

Threeshot,
here is a video clip of what the shooting is like down here.
web page (http://www.sportingdestinations.com/files/aime2004a.mpg)

[ 10-04-2004, 03:28 PM: Message edited by: John Airala ]

[fezman]

neet video. i mentiond the lead because when a local gun club was forced out of bizness the EPA had a fit and a field day strip mineing the place they took out over 100 triaxle loads of soil and lead and now its a **** parking lot. i hope the developer that bought the place lost his shirt on it

[birddog]

slick videos John .. nice site also!

[blackduck]

i'd like to see more birdhunting . .there are more than enough deer specific shows on as it is . .i realize benelli is pushing their new rifle so we are seeing more big game hunts . .how about more waterfowling hunts? for the guys who made the company what it is by buying their guns before most people heard of em?

[fezman]

I’m willing to sponsor a chipmunk hunt in my yard, the little monsters are eating all the insulation from my cars and there living in my attic. We can do an all day stalk followed up by a 400yard head shot with a custom made .50bmg . Or we could go tred barta and smear ourselves with mud and chipmunk poop and shoot them with wrist rockets, I’ll toss in a nights stay on my couch (as long as you don’t mind sleeping with doc) and a couple of Pat’s cheese steaks…..

[birddog]

Originally posted by fezman:
I’m willing to sponsor a chipmunk hunt in my yard, the little monsters are eating all the insulation from my cars and there living in my attic. We can do an all day stalk followed up by a 400yard head shot with a custom made .50bmg . Or we could go tred barta and smear ourselves with mud and chipmunk poop and shoot them with wrist rockets, I’ll toss in a nights stay on my couch (as long as you don’t mind sleeping with doc) and a couple of Pat’s cheese steaks….. I'm there for the cheese steaks and the .50bmg! ..
set-up four cameras and have at it .. tongue.gif

[CuzTheyFly]

Yes I agree, and we just hosted a hunting show . But we put them on all wild game with no Ted Nugent Fences...lol. The Argentina hunting is extreme.. Few game laws, no regulations, no comparison.. I would rather shoot a 15 dove limit with friends and family in The US,, than 1000 bird day in South America. But they have some very cool big game down there, like panthers and water buffaloes... And most outfitters down there do a great job at guiding hunters... It just takes too long to get down there.....